I think I hate Islam

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Re: I think I hate Islam

#81  Postby Clive Durdle » Aug 23, 2014 10:30 am

It's important to note that no President before Jimmy Carter made a big deal about their religion, and all Presidents after have.


Jimmy didn't either! This is a right wing meme, encouraged by Reagan and Thatcher.
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Re: Physicist analyses Islamic doctrine

#82  Postby redwhine » Aug 23, 2014 11:02 am

mralstoner wrote:Alas, the DUMBASS moderator went and merged my post.

The moderating team acted within their remit in the FUA.

mralstoner wrote:Go figure.

Go read it.
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#83  Postby Imagination Theory » Aug 25, 2014 2:42 am

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Imagination Theory wrote:You aren't allowed to post duplicate posts from other websites either. That's a rule here.


If it were, GreatestIAm would be long gone.


I thought it was. Maybe that is another forum. I remember because I broke that rule once.
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#84  Postby JVRaines » Aug 25, 2014 5:32 pm

Clive Durdle wrote:
It's important to note that no President before Jimmy Carter made a big deal about their religion, and all Presidents after have.


Jimmy didn't either! This is a right wing meme, encouraged by Reagan and Thatcher.

From Redeemer: The Life of Jimmy Carter:
In October 1976, just prior to Jimmy Carter’s election as president, Newsweek had christened 1976 the “Year of the Evangelical.” Carter’s candidacy had introduced many Americans to the term evangelical, and his articulation of the themes of progressive evangelicalism—care for the poor, concern for human rights, and an aversion to military conflict—brought many evangelicals into the arena of politics, some of them for the first time. Nearly half of evangelical voters in 1976 favored Carter, which represented a significant increase from the showing of Democratic candidates in years past; white evangelicals, following the lead of Billy Graham and others, had generally tilted Republican in the postwar era.

The opening of Carter's Inaugural Address:
FOR myself and for our Nation, I want to thank my predecessor for all he has done to heal our land. In this outward and physical ceremony we attest once again to the inner and spiritual strength of our Nation. As my high school teacher, Miss Julia Coleman, used to say: "We must adjust to changing times and still hold to unchanging principles." Here before me is the Bible used in the inauguration of our first President, in 1789, and I have just taken the oath of office on the Bible my mother gave me a few years ago, opened to a timeless admonition from the ancient prophet Micah: "He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God." (Micah 6:8)
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#85  Postby Clive Durdle » Aug 25, 2014 7:17 pm

I am perfectly aware he was an evangelical. But he was of the old guard, strictly separating the state and religion. I am sorry, his way of being xian was utterly different to the moral majority, Tea party and that US Attorney General.

I am surprised sceptical people have not understood how different these perspectives are. Can you imagine modern "xians" with their megachurches, belief in end times and ups with big coal and oil going with stewardship and justice ideas?

There were and are huge differences in how people lived their beliefs.
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#86  Postby Clive Durdle » Aug 25, 2014 7:19 pm

Can you imagine a teapartyist - Sarah Palin for example using phrases like care for the poor?
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#87  Postby epepke » Aug 25, 2014 7:34 pm

JVRaines wrote:
Clive Durdle wrote:
It's important to note that no President before Jimmy Carter made a big deal about their religion, and all Presidents after have.


Jimmy didn't either! This is a right wing meme, encouraged by Reagan and Thatcher.

From Redeemer: The Life of Jimmy Carter:
In October 1976, just prior to Jimmy Carter’s election as president, Newsweek had christened 1976 the “Year of the Evangelical.” Carter’s candidacy had introduced many Americans to the term evangelical, and his articulation of the themes of progressive evangelicalism—care for the poor, concern for human rights, and an aversion to military conflict—brought many evangelicals into the arena of politics, some of them for the first time. Nearly half of evangelical voters in 1976 favored Carter, which represented a significant increase from the showing of Democratic candidates in years past; white evangelicals, following the lead of Billy Graham and others, had generally tilted Republican in the postwar era.

The opening of Carter's Inaugural Address:
FOR myself and for our Nation, I want to thank my predecessor for all he has done to heal our land. In this outward and physical ceremony we attest once again to the inner and spiritual strength of our Nation. As my high school teacher, Miss Julia Coleman, used to say: "We must adjust to changing times and still hold to unchanging principles." Here before me is the Bible used in the inauguration of our first President, in 1789, and I have just taken the oath of office on the Bible my mother gave me a few years ago, opened to a timeless admonition from the ancient prophet Micah: "He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God." (Micah 6:8)


Thanks.

Yep, Carter started this. I remember the campaign. Lots of political cartoons making fun of his extreme public religiosity. Of course, the conservatives took the ball and ran with it, but it's complete bullshit revisionism to say they started it.
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#88  Postby JVRaines » Aug 25, 2014 7:59 pm

Clive Durdle wrote:I am perfectly aware he was an evangelical. But he was of the old guard, strictly separating the state and religion. I am sorry, his way of being xian was utterly different to the moral majority, Tea party and that US Attorney General.

I am surprised sceptical people have not understood how different these perspectives are. Can you imagine modern "xians" with their megachurches, belief in end times and ups with big coal and oil going with stewardship and justice ideas?

There were and are huge differences in how people lived their beliefs.

Granted, but your preference for his liberal orientation doesn't change the fact that Carter made a big deal out of his religion. Here is a man who quotes a sectarian text at the outset of his inaugural address, complete with chapter and verse. Compare to Harding, who quoted the same passage in 1921, but put it at the very end of his speech. With the Religion Door swung open so wide, it's no wonder we ended up with less savory religionists in the persons of Reagan et al.
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Re: I think I hate Islam

#89  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Aug 26, 2014 4:08 am


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mralstoner wrote:
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Goldenmane wrote:Second time you've posted this.

I've posted this on other forums, but I don't recall posting it here.


Did you think to check? I mean, you're logged in with the same account you used last year to post the same thing, and that was the only post you made, so it's not like it was difficult for you to check. You signed in with the same fucking password.

What are you trying to achieve?

I trusted my memory i.e. that I have not posted this message here before, and my memory was proved right i.e. I did NOT post this material before. There's a 5-10% OVERLAP in content with my other post. Whoopdeedo.

That's not a duplicate post in anyone's language.

I have posted the recent message on OTHER WEBSITES, but not here.

Alas, the DUMBASS moderator went and merged my post. Go figure.

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