Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")? Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

Well, that's about dogma, and not strictly about entities. Unless you believe there's such a thing as the holy spirit that is not a product of ignorant goat roasters. Denying the holy spirit seems to be about denying one's proper fee-fees.

surreptitious57 wrote:You are not your thoughts …

Are you sure?

This comes across as a form of dualism. If we take a materialistic perspective (whilst James is on his Travels) then my thoughts are very much part of my brain chemistry.

Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")? Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

Dogma. They made a film about it.

Cito di Pense wrote:

Fallible wrote:I'm the one who doesn't do belief, remember?

So you say, Fallible. But please, more anecdotes. Lacking belief in stuff nobody has any business believing is not impressive. It's in the 2nd percentile.

Did you somehow miss what the thread is about? Lacking belief in stuff nobody has any business believing in may not be impressive, but your hypocrisy is. When you stop prancing about the forum dispensing your personal opinions and then referring to them later as though they are important, you can accuse others of getting above their station. Until then, I suggest you shove it up your arse. What's the matter, am I not paying your fee-fees due reverence? If this is so beneath you, what are you doing here, flapping your gums into a blur? The minute you start the gum-flapping with unfalsifiable claims about others is the moment I'm arsed enough to entertain you. If you just practised what you preached, you'd never hear from me. But then I doubt that's what you're after.

Do theists sometimes not believe what they say they believe ? Possibly but any such claims could not be tested
given that they are unfalsifiable in principle. I think they might not always fully understand what they claim to
believe and those claims unlike the other ones can definitely be tested

Fallible wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

Fallible wrote:I'm the one who doesn't do belief, remember?

So you say, Fallible. But please, more anecdotes. Lacking belief in stuff nobody has any business believing is not impressive. It's in the 2nd percentile.

Did you somehow miss what the thread is about?

Do you know what this thread is about? If so, bend a spoon containing what this thread is about, so as to spill the beans. Otherwise, plead your case with the mods.

Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")? Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

I mean fuck, why bother even asking this stuff? Do you believe you're going to get punished, or even that it's a tiny possibility?

Cito di Pense wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

Fallible wrote:I'm the one who doesn't do belief, remember?

So you say, Fallible. But please, more anecdotes. Lacking belief in stuff nobody has any business believing is not impressive. It's in the 2nd percentile.

Did you somehow miss what the thread is about?

Do you know what this thread is about? If so, bend a spoon containing what this thread is about, so as to spill the beans. Otherwise, plead your case with the mods.

Your post appears to contain nothing but phrases you either created yourself and mean nothing, or phrases that just mean nothing in the context of this conversation. If you can't respond in a way which other humans can parse, you might consider not bothering.

Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")?

No, it's exactly the same as 'Sorry, not buying your story, come back when you've got some evidence' and not 'I reject your puny god - Hail Satan!!!111!!! Hahahaha!!!11!'

Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

Theists claim we should be punished for a lot of things. Usually for stuff they do like it's going out of fashion. Go figure.

Wholly Spirit, or as close as most of us can find.



This stuff can be empirically tested, and those tests can be replicated and reproduced.

romansh wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote:You are not your thoughts …

Are you sure?

This comes across as a form of dualism. If we take a materialistic perspective (whilst James is on his Travels) then my thoughts are very much part of my brain chemistry.

Indeed...if 'you' are not your thoughts, what are you?

Fallible wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")? Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

I mean fuck, why bother even asking this stuff? Do you believe you're going to get punished, or even that it's a tiny possibility?

There are many many millions of nominally adequately educated people who espouse and, apparently, hold just such a view. It's a little difficult to completely dismiss their views I must confess from time to time, especially when, for example, the CDU, bible study classes in the White House and Bishops in the house of lords. I do however personally take some further reassurance from stuff that is said here such as "I have an extremely low opinion of vast swathes of the human race" however

romansh wrote:
If we take a materialistic perspective then my thoughts are very much part of my brain chemistry

When you no longer hold a particular thought to be true is it still your own
Are all of the thoughts you once had that you no longer have also still yours

No they are not so unlike your brain which is always present your thoughts are more transitionary by comparison
You will always have them as long as you have a functioning prefrontal cortex but they wont always be the same

If one no longer has a thought, in what sense does it exist in order to be one's possession?

Keep It Real wrote:
There are many many millions of nominally adequately educated people who espouse and apparently hold just such a view

Non falsifiable truth claim and argument from popularity

Keep It Real wrote:

Fallible wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:Is lacking belief in the holy spirit the same as denying the holy spirit (the "unforgiveable sin")? Again, how could we little humans be punished for this type of confusion etc.

I mean fuck, why bother even asking this stuff? Do you believe you're going to get punished, or even that it's a tiny possibility?

There are many many millions of nominally adequately educated people who espouse and, apparently, hold just such a view. It's a little difficult to completely dismiss their views I must confess from time to time, especially when, for example, the CDU, bible study classes in the White House and Bishops in the house of lords.

How is it difficult to dismiss? I only ask, because for me, it's impossible to believe what they do. That's a separate thing from how their views may go on to impact me.

I do however personally take some further reassurance from stuff that is said here such as "I have an extremely low opinion of vast swathes of the human race" however

It was a long process in my case to come to terms with the fact that figures of authority are in large measure an illusion.

Yes, can you explain it to me? How is a thought I no longer have mine?

Never mind, I misread you.

Fallible wrote:
How is it difficult to dismiss? I only ask, because for me, it's impossible to believe what they do.

I have, if nothing else, an abnormally active imagination I think