Hermit wrote:BWE wrote:Hermit wrote:BWE wrote:My point is that the god hypotheses which can be rejected, should be rejected. They are active propositions. I am not opposed to philosophizing about the concepts that have been attached to god in various ways btw. But interventionism has been falsified. To lack a belief regarding interventionism is to either feign ignorance or be ignorant of the world today. As soon as we drop all bits of interventionism we no longer have the gods that people argue about. There is no point in a religion based on a non-interventionist god.
My claim is a bit more overall than just the mind body issue. Heaven and hell are interventionism based ideas. Take away the intervention and the point goes too. Therefore, it is an active, not passive claim that I have rejected the proposals of pre-scientific peoples regarding god. That actually is the only god that matters. The rest is personal. I am not going to argue that a monk who goes off a d meditates for 30 years won't learn something. In fact I think he is likely to. And I'm happy to use the word god in that context. But that god has nothing to do with anything that we would blindly replace science with. There is a reason physics and psychology cannot be reconciled completely. That doesn't invalidate either physics or psychology though. Although it may invalidate some efforts to use the same methodology for both.
That's what I keep saying, albeit using different words.
So you have been saying that you believe there is no god?Hermit wrote:Personal, interfering, meddlesome gods, such as the Christian god can be empirically tested for. I have proposed one test scenario earlier. If it turned out positive and reproducible, I'd say "Yes, I believe in the existence of that god (with the proviso that all empirical knowledge is provisional), but until such evidence is furnished I believe your god does not exist."
Close enough?
Definitely in the ballpark anyway. It seems to me that you could shorten it some but yeah. It is a positive belief then for both of us.