Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#341  Postby surreptitious57 » Aug 23, 2018 2:44 am

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This is a terrible argument because intelligence is pretty much completely uncorrelated with atheism

This is true but because rational forums use logical argument as standard then those who are members of them
will generally be of above average intelligence and usually university educated and well read. I do not however
think there is any correlation between intelligence and atheism as such
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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#342  Postby laklak » Aug 23, 2018 3:11 am

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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#343  Postby kiore » Sep 03, 2018 2:08 am


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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#344  Postby Hermit » Sep 03, 2018 3:06 am

surreptitious57 wrote:...because rational forums use logical argument as standard then those who are members of them will generally be of above average intelligence...

Accepting the assertion that rational forums use logical argument as standard for the sake of the argument, have you tested, or have you found anyone who tested the conclusion that those who are members of them will generally be of above average intelligence?
surreptitious57 wrote:I do not however think there is any correlation between intelligence and atheism as such

And that in the same post... Word salad comes to mind, but seeing you regard yourself to be of above average intelligence by virtue of being a member of an allegedly rational forum and therefore using logical argument as standard (oh, the irony) I call this combination a non sequitur.
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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#345  Postby romansh » Sep 03, 2018 3:21 am

Wiki on the subject of IQ and religiosity
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Re: Lack of belief in gods =/= believing there are no gods?

#346  Postby Hermit » Sep 03, 2018 5:23 am

romansh wrote:Wiki on the subject of IQ and religiosity

Thanks for the link, romansh. I had read it some time ago. While it cites studies purporting to show that atheists are more intelligent, I find the following quotes of far greater import:

...Professor Gordon Lynch, from London's Birkbeck College, who expressed concern that the study failed to take into account a complex range of social, economic and historical factors...

Dr. David Hardman of London Metropolitan University says: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief."

According to biopsychologist Nigel Barber, the differences in national IQ are better explained by social, environmental, and wealth conditions than by levels of religiosity.

And most importantly, right at the very top of the article:
The definitions of intelligence are controversial since at least 70 definitions have been found among diverse fields of research.


To clarify, I am not claiming that there is no difference on average between atheists and non-atheists, there are just too many factors confounding attempts to establish a clear, quantifiable and statistically significant one. In the absence of it, talk of Dawkins's fucking "Brights" and suchlike serves nothing but to give people who make those claims the appearance of smug, arrogant, even ignorant poseurs and wankers.
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