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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#61  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Mar 07, 2012 2:58 am

CIS wrote:More tweets and religious hate:

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hahaha good on her, she is trolling the rednecks good. :lol:
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#62  Postby Mac_Guffin » Mar 07, 2012 3:51 am

This is the moment where I started suspecting Miley was becoming cooler:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySsbkLVuYOs[/youtube]
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#63  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 07, 2012 4:43 am

Mac_Guffin wrote:This is the moment where I started suspecting Miley was becoming cooler:
[youtube]snip[/youtube]

:shock: Er, not to be a bastard, but am I the only one who sees how wrong this is? SLTS in sparkly leather pants? SLTS marked the end of sparkly leather pants...not that I dislike them, it's just wrong in this context :mrgreen:
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#64  Postby Mac_Guffin » Mar 07, 2012 5:01 am

Yeah, but that was during a time when leather pants were status quo. Remember, Kurt covered a Bowie song.
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#65  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 07, 2012 5:45 am

Mac_Guffin wrote:Yeah, but that was during a time when leather pants were status quo.

Yeah, I know. That was the context of the song, and summed up the band and his music on so many levels--the rejection of empty glam. Maybe I'm missing something, but Miley strikes me as the epitome of empty glam, fanship of Nirvana notwithstanding :mrgreen:

Remember, Kurt covered a Bowie song.

Oh for sure, he also loved Led Zeppelin, who were clearly responsible for some of the attitudes of bands he hated. Hell, he even apparently had a secret crush on Iron Maiden, but while glamorous ( :awesome: ) they really wouldn't be considered glam. But I would argue those bands are different (and more substantial/deeper) than the sort of glam he was railing against, stuff like Motley Crue, Poison and Guns N' Roses, which in the context of pop music seems much closer to MRC than David Bowie in terms of status quo. Bowie was making standards, Miley's just following them.
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#66  Postby Mac_Guffin » Mar 07, 2012 6:10 am

Yeah, but on a deeper level, it was a rejection of the status quo. Which is something Miley's doing here and with the atheist stuff.

I don't see that at all. Miley's going into territory only The Beatles, if you count them, are going into. She's a pop artist loved by the status quo, but she's doing these things to challenge it... Doing it from within, which is much more effective. You're not going to get people to realize their bullshit by singing protest songs and pithy punk rants. It's expected. What's not expected is a pop artist challenging what's accepted.
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#67  Postby SafeAsMilk » Mar 07, 2012 8:15 am

Mac_Guffin wrote:Yeah, but on a deeper level, it was a rejection of the status quo. Which is something Miley's doing here and with the atheist stuff.

I'm sorry, singing one of the most popular songs of the last 20 years with cardboard cutout fashion mag visuals which would make Kurt turn in his grave doesn't strike me as particularly subversive. I agree that her coming out with that quote while still being a Christian, opening herself up to criticism from her fanbase, is very brave and subversive. But even before he killed himself there was nothing subversive about SLTS, and that's part of why Kurt hated playing it. It had been turned into just another de-clawed pop tune, loved by all the people it was sneering at.

I don't see that at all. Miley's going into territory only The Beatles, if you count them, are going into. She's a pop artist loved by the status quo, but she's doing these things to challenge it... Doing it from within, which is much more effective. You're not going to get people to realize their bullshit by singing protest songs and pithy punk rants. It's expected. What's not expected is a pop artist challenging what's accepted.

I generally agree with your point, but I don't see anything even vaguely subversive about what she's doing musically. Playing SLTS isn't going to wake anyone up, it's been on every radio station in existence for the last 20 years. Hell, I've heard it on classic rock stations at this point. Covering the arguably most popular song of our generation, the most widely accepted punk-styled song there is, does not even begin to touch the sort of subversion the Beatles brought to pop music.

Though I'd argue The Beatles were only subversive in the context of pop music :P /geekiness
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#68  Postby Grimstad » Mar 07, 2012 10:23 am

She must also be a Seinfeld fan. Who didn't recognize the Elaine dance at the beginning?

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#69  Postby ElDiablo » Mar 07, 2012 1:55 pm

Mac_Guffin wrote:Yeah, but on a deeper level, it was a rejection of the status quo. Which is something Miley's doing here and with the atheist stuff.

I don't see that at all. Miley's going into territory only The Beatles, if you count them, are going into. She's a pop artist loved by the status quo, but she's doing these things to challenge it... Doing it from within, which is much more effective. You're not going to get people to realize their bullshit by singing protest songs and pithy punk rants. It's expected. What's not expected is a pop artist challenging what's accepted.

Maybe she's covering SLTS because she likes the song.
Maybe she's sharing what she's learning because she's simply trying to share what she's learning.
Also, I heard AC/DC's Back in Black used for a WalMart commercial, is WalMart trying to reject the status quo?
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#70  Postby Animavore » Mar 08, 2012 2:26 pm

Nebogipfel wrote:I'm going to go against the grain here....

"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements– the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life– weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars


That's a great quote. Should have stopped there.

and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.So forget Jesus; the stars died so that you could live."


That's just silly. I'm pretty sure Krauss doesn't actually think that stars feel emotions such as kindness, or that particular stars decided to blow themselves up in order to create the human race. So why say such a thing?

It's just asking for a quote mine.


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Animavore wrote:He said it because he was talking in front of an buch of atheists at a convention and wanted to crack a joke at the theists expense.


Ah. Context is everything. ;-)

He actually doesn't use this analogy in the book based on the lecture saying just...

One of the most poetic facts I know about the universe is that essentially every atom in your body was once inside a star that exploded. Moreover, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than did those in your right. We are all, literally, star children, and our bodies made of stardust.

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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#71  Postby Animavore » Mar 08, 2012 2:32 pm

Oh wait! He does say on the next page...

While lithium is important for some people, far more important to the rest of us are all the heavier nuclei like carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, and so on. These were not made in the Big Bang. The only place they can be made is in the fiery cores of stars. And the only way they could get into your body today is if these stars were kind enough to have exploded, spewing their products into the cosmos so they could one day coalesce in and around a small blue planet located near the star we call the Sun. Over the course of the history of our galaxy, about 200 million stars have exploded. These myriad stars sacrificed themselves, if you wish, so that one day you could be born. I suppose that qualifies them as much as anything else for the role of saviors.
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#72  Postby THWOTH » Mar 08, 2012 4:32 pm

Reuters wrote:Miley Cyrus quotes Einstein during Twitter feud over religion

Miley Cyrus and Twitter just can't seem to get along.

The 19-year-old got heat earlier this week after tweeting a photo that contained this quote from physicist Lawrence Krauss: "You are all stardust. You couldn't be here if stars hadn't exploded, because the elements (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, all the things that matter for evolution) weren't created at the beginning of time. They were created in stars. So forget Jesus. Stars died so you can live."

Cyrus' Christian followers didn't take to kindly to the tweet and replied with their two cents, including telling the young starlet to go to hell.
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#73  Postby MoonLit » Mar 08, 2012 8:54 pm

THWOTH, where's the link to the article? =P
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#74  Postby THWOTH » Mar 08, 2012 10:45 pm

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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#75  Postby Paul G » Mar 08, 2012 10:47 pm

She's been posting pro gay marriage stuff aswell.

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#76  Postby THWOTH » Mar 08, 2012 10:54 pm

Billy-Ray won't be happy. If it impacts on her sales no doubt there will be a public expression of regret and renewed affirmation.
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#77  Postby tuco » Mar 08, 2012 10:56 pm

Never heard of her, they do not even play her songs in radio over here. FIFA 12 has this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIFspx_BMN0[/youtube]

on soundtrack, playlist. The Big Bang .. beautiful design .. *shrugs* Mummified :)
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#78  Postby Paul G » Mar 08, 2012 10:58 pm

THWOTH wrote:Billy-Ray won't be happy. If it impacts on her sales no doubt there will be a public expression of regret and renewed affirmation.


Well her Twitter following has increased.
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Re: Miley Cyrus tweets Lawrence Krauss quote on "starstuff"

#79  Postby HughMcB » Mar 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Does this now mean that I'm allowed to openly like Miley Cyrus?
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#80  Postby Agrippina » Mar 09, 2012 2:22 pm

Be careful you might have to deal with her achy breaky heart dad. :yuk:
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