Sagan: An atheist is someone who knows there is no god.

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Sagan: An atheist is someone who knows there is no god.

#141  Postby rampant.a.i. » Jun 01, 2014 6:46 pm

Betelgeuse wrote:
Andrew4Handel wrote:It doesn't matter what you believe about gods existence.

Either he/she/it exists or doesn't etc.

Wow, deep. Utterly rational.

So is that why atheists everywhere hate Christians so very much, and paint us as ignorant, stupid, flat-earthers,
and worse?

"Anyone who believes in God is either ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked." - Richard Dawkins

When every single ontological argument apologists put forth is a knocked down, yet you keep putting them back up as if they're flawless -- The Kalam comes to mind -- and you follow a book supposedly containing the infallible word of God, containing factually impossible stories what would you call that other than willful ignorance?

The founder of the Human Genome project, Francis Collins, has openly stated the Adam and Eve story is genetically impossible, and that there would have to be at least 10,000 individuals to account for all the human genetic diversity we see today, not two.

No Adam and Eve, no original sin.

No original sin, no need for a savior.

No savior? No Christianity.
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Re: Sagan: An atheist is someone who knows there is no god.

#142  Postby rampant.a.i. » Jun 01, 2014 6:54 pm

the mouse wrote:
An atheist may be a person who does not believe in a God, but only in the same way that theism is merely a lack of belief that we are merely the products of blind natural occurrence. Atheism may be in essence the rejection of all theistic world views, but only in the sense that theism is rejection of all atheistic worldviews. But the arguments for theism, or atheism are purely not just that, in fact they are arguments often for their own atheistic/theistic worldviews.

That's a factually inaccurate attempt at equivocation. Theism is not simply a lack or belief that humans are the product of blind natural occurrence, it goes on to describe a specific mechanism of origin and defines that entity as a deity, with specific characteristics. It then goes on to tell you what that deity wants from you, and how it thinks and feels.

It's not the rejection of blind natural processes. It's the rejection of blind natural processes because you have a belief in a deity to defend.
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