Something from Nothing - Dawkins & Krauss [Split from Science]

Lion IRC · #1 by **Lion IRC** » Feb 15, 2012 1:42 am

If you honestly didnt believe in God, you wouldnt even notice there's a Gap when you remove Him...let alone spend so much time working on theories which claim to replace Him in order to try and FILL that Gap some other way.

Very telling! :whistle:

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orpheus · #2 by **orpheus** » Feb 15, 2012 1:48 am

Lion IRC wrote:If you honestly didnt believe in God, you wouldnt even notice there's a Gap when you remove Him...let alone spend so much time working on theories which claim to replace Him in order to try and FILL that Gap some other way.

Very telling!

The "gaps" are simply things we don't understand about how the world works yet. There are plenty of those.

And I don't know what you mean by "when you remove Him". I haven't removed him at all; he was never there in the first place.

Bribase · #3 by **Bribase** » Feb 15, 2012 2:01 am

Lion IRC wrote:If you honestly didnt believe in God, you wouldnt even notice there's a Gap when you remove Him...let alone spend so much time working on theories which claim to replace Him in order to try and FILL that Gap some other way.

Very telling!

And when theists like yourself presume to have filled a gap in our scientific knowledge with god they inevitably fail to realize that they have explained it away without explaining it at all. When confronted with a question of how something came into being they settle with presuming to know who did it rather than dealing with the actual fucking question of how.

You fill the gap with a mixture of ignorance and hubris. It is not something to be proud of.

Ironclad · #4 by **Ironclad** » Feb 15, 2012 3:13 am

God of the Gaps, It is like taking cigarettes away from heavy smokers, they feel a gap is created, a physical and tangible void (loss of god); they don't know what to do with their hands anymore. Their creator, like their (holy) smokes, is denied a place to live in a more civil and educated world.
Cigarette smokers eventually understand the void is a false construct, the passing of an addiction - to a parasite.

orpheus · #5 by **orpheus** » Feb 15, 2012 3:38 am

Ironclad wrote: Their creator, like their (holy) smokes

That's a good line. Nicely put.

Lion IRC · #6 by **Lion IRC** » Feb 15, 2012 4:23 am

Ironclad wrote:God of the Gaps, It is like taking cigarettes away from heavy smokers, they feel a gap is created, a physical and tangible void (loss of god); they don't know what to do with their hands anymore. Their creator, like their (holy) smokes, is denied a place to live in a more civil and educated world.
Cigarette smokers eventually understand the void is a false construct, the passing of an addiction - to a parasite.

From where I am looking, it seems like the no-god hypothesis folk are the ones with the addiction.

Why are they even bothered at all about looking for something which constitutes an answer to a metaphysical question?

The God conclusion answers those questions for theists. But how do atheists justify asking the SAME QUESTIONS?

Why not spend their time, (and our money) working on other scientific problems which, in humanist terms, really matter?

Large Haddron Collider - €7.5 billion

Lion IRC · #7 by **Lion IRC** » Feb 15, 2012 4:29 am

Atheist philosopher of science "Bucket List"

1. Fill gaps with alternatives to God...(without discovering even more gaps along the way - bigger, quantum weirdness Gaps)

KeenIdiot · #8 by **KeenIdiot** » Feb 15, 2012 5:16 am

Theists seem to be quick to put god into gaps, until there's a scientific explanation. Then they find two new places to pug God in.
fairly week idea of god, eh?

Ihavenofingerprints · #9 by **Ihavenofingerprints** » Feb 15, 2012 5:21 am

Thanks for posting LIFE.

Lion if you haven't got any valuable feedback from the video start a new thread where you can speculate about whatever horseshit you like. I'd rather see people posting about interesting parts of the video to look out for while I'm watching than your subsistence speculations about God or some other non existent, irrelevant and outdated mythology.

ElDiablo · **#10** by **ElDiablo** » Feb 15, 2012 5:52 am

Lion IRC wrote:
The God conclusion answers those questions for theists.

Why should non-theists adopt such low criteria for the existence of a metaphyical being as you Lion?
Why is it hard to accept that a 2,000 plus year old mythology about a misogynistic, murderous, egotistical diety, who loves the smell of burning animals fails to provide non-theists a viable answer to just about anything?

Lion IRC · **#11** by **Lion IRC** » Feb 15, 2012 6:19 am

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Thanks for posting LIFE.

Lion if you haven't got any valuable feedback from the video start a new thread where you can speculate about whatever horseshit you like. I'd rather see people posting about interesting parts of the video to look out for while I'm watching than your subsistence speculations about God or some other non existent, irrelevant and outdated mythology.

"valuable feedback" ?
Is this forum mostly frequented by atheists?
Should I be surprised that my post was not to your liking?

Just stick with the :thumbup:

for the posts you like.

That way we can get a truly impartial view of whose posts are most valuable.

Lion IRC · **#12** by **Lion IRC** » Feb 15, 2012 6:22 am

BTW - I dont need ppl to tell me which parts of the video are interesting and which parts to "look out for".
I can think for myself.

Bribase · **#13** by **Bribase** » Feb 15, 2012 6:25 am

Lion IRC wrote:From where I am looking, it seems like the no-god hypothesis folk are the ones with the addiction.

Why are they even bothered at all about looking for something which constitutes an answer to a metaphysical question?

Because it is a very interesting question.

The God conclusion answers those questions for theists. But how do atheists justify asking the SAME QUESTIONS?

I want to be kept abreast of the arguments so that my beliefs track the best way they can with reality. I want to be sure that I haven't missed an argument. And personally, I want to engage in argument with theists as well to provide a counterpoint to their views. That way, the next time there is a sexual abuse scandal, a botched exorcism, suicide bombing, bombed abortion clinic, murdered homosexual, failed faith healing or just a plain old religious congame I'll be there as the voice of dissent.

The next time a scandal is brushed off, a religious platitude is spoken or a no true Scotsman fallacy is comitted, I want to be there to say "Listen, are you actually sure that this shit is true? You know there is an alternative, right?"

Why not spend their time, (and our money) working on other scientific problems which, in humanist terms, really matter?

Large Haddron Collider - €7.5 billion

Because humans are naturally curious.

Because the LHC stands as a monument for what humans from multiple backgrounds, cultures, ethnicites and beliefs can do if they collaborate. The last time so many different nations collaborated, it was to engage in a project of blowing three shades of holy fuck out of each other.

Beacause the technology, like that used in all significant human endeavours has been and will be developed to enrich the lives of everyone.

Iraq war: $1 trillion.

Pulsar · **#14** by **Pulsar** » Feb 15, 2012 6:25 am

Lion IRC wrote:If you honestly didnt believe in God, you wouldnt even notice there's a Gap when you remove Him...let alone spend so much time working on theories which claim to replace Him in order to try and FILL that Gap some other way.

And where does your god come from? Have you filled that Gap yet?

Lion IRC wrote:From where I am looking, it seems like the no-god hypothesis folk are the ones with the addiction.

It's true, we have an addiction. An addiction for knowledge.

Lion IRC wrote:
Why are they even bothered at all about looking for something which constitutes an answer to a metaphysical question?

See above. Why aren't you bothered at all to look for answers?

Lion IRC wrote:
The God conclusion answers those questions for theists. But how do atheists justify asking the SAME QUESTIONS?

See, that's your problem right there: conclusion. You haven't answered anything, you simply stopped asking questions. And thus you stopped learning.

Lion IRC wrote:
Why not spend their time, (and our money) working on other scientific problems which, in humanist terms, really matter?

I find it quite ironic that theists like you think we should spend time and money on things that "really matter". Pot, meet kettle.

Lion IRC wrote:
Large Haddron Collider - €7.5 billion

You think particle physics doesn't matter? Seriously?

Ihavenofingerprints · **#15** by **Ihavenofingerprints** » Feb 15, 2012 6:27 am

No Lion, it is just glaringly obvious (judging by your comments on the video) that you weren't paying attention to anything they said. If you even watched the video...

Seeing as this thread is about the video, your posts aren't really contributing. Go start a new thread if you want to speculate about random theories you might have.

endersgame · **#16** by **endersgame** » Feb 15, 2012 6:32 am

Lion IRC wrote:BTW - I dont need ppl to tell me which parts of the video are interesting and which parts to "look out for".
I can think for myself.

Really? (thinks about feral children :scratch:

). I don't think anyone can. I wonder if feral children believe in god... :dopey:

Steve · **#17** by **Steve** » Feb 15, 2012 6:34 am

Lion IRC wrote:If you honestly didnt believe in God, you wouldnt even notice there's a Gap when you remove Him...let alone spend so much time working on theories which claim to replace Him in order to try and FILL that Gap some other way.

Very telling!

quas · **#18** by **quas** » Feb 15, 2012 6:54 am

Dawkins looks like he's a shit-ton of make-up on?

advaitya · **#19** by **advaitya** » Feb 15, 2012 10:17 am

Dawkins: "who cares what you feel like", "who cares what you find comforting". Could he be more clueless?

Bribase · **#20** by **Bribase** » Feb 15, 2012 11:57 am

advaitya wrote:Dawkins: "who cares what you feel like", "who cares what you find comforting". Could he be more clueless?

Come again?