The high tide of "new atheism" may have passed

says archbishop of Canterbury

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The high tide of "new atheism" may have passed

#1  Postby Aca » Apr 08, 2012 3:49 pm

Atheism v religion debate moving on from stalemate, says archbishop

Rowan Williams says in Easter sermon that after years of attacks on religion there are 'signs that the climate is shifting'

The high tide of "new atheism" may have passed, the archbishop of Canterbury has said in his Easter sermon. Rowan Williams said the atheism v religion debate appeared to be moving on from what he called "a pointless stalemate".

"Recent years have seen so many high-profile assaults on the alleged evils of religion that we've almost become used to them; we sigh and pass on, wishing that we could have a bit more of a sensible debate and a bit less hysteria. But there are a few signs that the climate is shifting ever so slightly," he said at Canterbury cathedral.


continues http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/0 ... archbishop

so i guess that we can expect to see churches filling up with believers, more people becoming priests and so on? :coffee:
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Re: The high tide of "new atheism" may have passed

#2  Postby laklak » Apr 08, 2012 3:53 pm

The honorable Archbishop can put a lip-lock on my love muscle.
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#3  Postby Oeditor » Apr 08, 2012 3:53 pm

He wishes! His departing wish, even.
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#4  Postby Steve » Apr 08, 2012 3:55 pm

Things are shifting, alright.
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#5  Postby chairman bill » Apr 08, 2012 4:01 pm

A version of 'whistling in the dark', as his religion becomes increasingly irrelevant & extinction beckons.
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#6  Postby Jie » Apr 08, 2012 7:49 pm

Looks like the death of the Hitch is giving them confidence. Not that it will do them much good... :lol:
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#7  Postby Wiðercora » Apr 08, 2012 8:03 pm

I'm not sure that the general attitude towards religion in the UK has ever shifted from a resounding 'Whatever...' for a good few years now.
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#8  Postby Shrunk » Apr 08, 2012 8:22 pm

Oeditor wrote:He wishes! His departing wish, even.


So there is a term limit for the Archbishop of Canterbury, unlike the Catholic papacy? I was not aware of that.
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#9  Postby Wiðercora » Apr 08, 2012 8:33 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Oeditor wrote:He wishes! His departing wish, even.


So there is a term limit for the Archbishop of Canterbury, unlike the Catholic papacy? I was not aware of that.


I don't think there's a term limit, so much as a limit on how much pressure each incumbent can take.
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#10  Postby Skinny Puppy » Apr 08, 2012 9:42 pm

Wiðercora wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Oeditor wrote:He wishes! His departing wish, even.


So there is a term limit for the Archbishop of Canterbury, unlike the Catholic papacy? I was not aware of that.


I don't think there's a term limit, so much as a limit on how much money pressure each incumbent can take.


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#11  Postby virphen » Apr 08, 2012 9:50 pm

Just a silly man, with a silly beard, who wears a silly hat, and a silly frock, who for some silly reason actually expects people to take him seriously.
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#12  Postby RealityRules » Apr 08, 2012 9:54 pm

Oeditor wrote:He wishes! His departing wish, even.
Shrunk wrote:So there is a term limit for the Archbishop of Canterbury, unlike the Catholic papacy? I was not aware of that.

There may have been a limit as to how much side-swiping he could take from his fractured flock. The schism over ordaining female or gay bishops has resulted in a break-away movement - the "Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans" - who have had one Gafcon* conference in Jerusalem and are having a second this month, ironically, in William's backyard.

* global anglican fellowship conference (another irony - "global", huh!)
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#13  Postby DougC » Apr 08, 2012 11:13 pm

Goodbye Beardy.
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#14  Postby james1v » Apr 08, 2012 11:39 pm

He makes me smile. Hes the new Tommy Cooper! One crap magician, but funny as fook! :grin:
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#15  Postby Fenrir » Apr 08, 2012 11:46 pm

"I'm going to retire so I'll claim victory for no obvious reason before I go."

Seems legit.

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#16  Postby Nebogipfel » Apr 09, 2012 3:26 pm

A sensible debate and less hysteria? Like, on the subject of whether gay people and women can be allowed to do invisible magic stuff?
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#17  Postby Will S » Apr 09, 2012 4:08 pm

According to the published text of the sermon, what he actually said was: 'It just might be the case that the high watermark of aggressive polemic against religious faith has been passed'

'It might just be the case' is not exactly the language of positive conviction! On the contrary, it suggests that it probably isn't the case. If you say to the passengers on a sinking ship, 'It might just be the case that we won't drown, but will be rescued', then you're not giving them much comfort.

So I don't disagree with what he said. :angel:
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#18  Postby I'm With Stupid » Apr 09, 2012 5:34 pm

Does this "pointless stalemate" look like an overwhelming rout from where anyone else is sitting?
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#19  Postby SafeAsMilk » Apr 09, 2012 6:29 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:Does this "pointless stalemate" look like an overwhelming rout from where anyone else is sitting?

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#20  Postby Bribase » Apr 09, 2012 7:03 pm

News just in: Wishful thinker engages in wishful thinking.
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