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Nicko wrote:solazy wrote:Where are they?
Ah, the Fermi Paradox.
The answer to which is the Great Filter.
Essentially, as a civilisation attains the ability to contact another solar system, it must necessarily develop the ability to destroy itself. Given the systemic risk posed by such an ability, one would expect most such civilisations to fail to pass this test.
It occurs to me that the Great Filter might take another form: a civilisation that fails to free itself from it's planet of origin before that planet's fossil fuels are exhausted, probably just stays there.
crank wrote:Nicko wrote:solazy wrote:Where are they?
Ah, the Fermi Paradox.
The answer to which is the Great Filter.
Essentially, as a civilisation attains the ability to contact another solar system, it must necessarily develop the ability to destroy itself. Given the systemic risk posed by such an ability, one would expect most such civilisations to fail to pass this test.
It occurs to me that the Great Filter might take another form: a civilisation that fails to free itself from it's planet of origin before that planet's fossil fuels are exhausted, probably just stays there.
Hey Nicko, that 'o' isn't short for [Nick] Bostrom is it?
I'm a huge fan, I don't agree with everything he says of course, but he's got fascinating ideas. Another solution to the Fermi Paradox is what I mentioned earlier, another is that advanced civilizations, after going trans-[alien species], acquiring 'brains' that can think billions, maybe trillions, of times faster than we can, will live subjective lives at an astronomical rate. This results in them realizing the utter horror of boredom, which arises rapidly and often, and also causing them to fully comprehend the absurdity of everything, so each and every one of them terminate their operations soon after reaching the trans stage, though it could be millions of lives in subjective time, or maybe better thought as 'amount of thought' time.
solazy wrote:I'd really like to know why so many Americans are obsessed with aliens.
As many as 48% believe in UFO's.
27% believe aliens have visited earth.
2% have been victims of abduction.
66 million in Roswell (when there is perfectly plausible explanation).
Women who have given birth to human-alien hybrids, and others who have been subjected to sexual exploitation from an early age.
Sleep paralysis is one possible explanation, media mass hallucination another.
Then there's Stephen Hawking who is clearly worried about our vulnerability.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... n-new-film
Hands up all those who think Verne and Wells are to blame.
PensivePenny wrote:solazy wrote:I'd really like to know why so many Americans are obsessed with aliens.
As many as 48% believe in UFO's.
27% believe aliens have visited earth.
2% have been victims of abduction.
66 million in Roswell (when there is perfectly plausible explanation).
Women who have given birth to human-alien hybrids, and others who have been subjected to sexual exploitation from an early age.
Sleep paralysis is one possible explanation, media mass hallucination another.
Then there's Stephen Hawking who is clearly worried about our vulnerability.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... n-new-film
Hands up all those who think Verne and Wells are to blame.
Where the hell did you get those stats?
2% believe they've been abducted? That seems just a tad high... Maybe 2% THINK other people have been abducted by aliens?
solazy wrote:PensivePenny wrote:solazy wrote:I'd really like to know why so many Americans are obsessed with aliens.
As many as 48% believe in UFO's.
27% believe aliens have visited earth.
2% have been victims of abduction.
66 million in Roswell (when there is perfectly plausible explanation).
Women who have given birth to human-alien hybrids, and others who have been subjected to sexual exploitation from an early age.
Sleep paralysis is one possible explanation, media mass hallucination another.
Then there's Stephen Hawking who is clearly worried about our vulnerability.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... n-new-film
Hands up all those who think Verne and Wells are to blame.
Where the hell did you get those stats?
2% believe they've been abducted? That seems just a tad high... Maybe 2% THINK other people have been abducted by aliens?
4 million.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/abduction ... _paralysis
Still don't know why in America, but not in Europe.
1) “Waking up paralyzed with a sense of a strange person or presence or something else in the room” (18 percent);
2) “Feeling that you were actually flying through the air although you didn't know why or how” (10 percent);
3) “Experiencing a period of time of an hour or more, in which you were apparently lost, but you could not remember why, or where you had been” (13 percent);
4) “Seeing unusual lights or balls of light in a room without knowing what was causing them, or where they came from” (8 percent); and
5) “Finding puzzling scars on your body and neither you nor anyone else remembering how you received them or where you got them” (8 percent).
solazy wrote:PensivePenny wrote:solazy wrote:I'd really like to know why so many Americans are obsessed with aliens.
As many as 48% believe in UFO's.
27% believe aliens have visited earth.
2% have been victims of abduction.
66 million in Roswell (when there is perfectly plausible explanation).
Women who have given birth to human-alien hybrids, and others who have been subjected to sexual exploitation from an early age.
Sleep paralysis is one possible explanation, media mass hallucination another.
Then there's Stephen Hawking who is clearly worried about our vulnerability.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... n-new-film
Hands up all those who think Verne and Wells are to blame.
Where the hell did you get those stats?
2% believe they've been abducted? That seems just a tad high... Maybe 2% THINK other people have been abducted by aliens?
4 million.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/abduction ... _paralysis
Still don't know why in America, but not in Europe.
Are we alone in the universe? Most Americans, Brits and Germans think that we are not. In fact, a new poll shows that slightly more than half of respondents from each country think that intelligent alien life exists.
The poll, conducted by the market-research company YouGov, found the Germans are most likely to believe, at 56 percent, followed by Americans and British, at 54 and 52 percent, respectively.
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