Mind over Matter, Paranormal v Science
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Onyx8 wrote:So AC, are you praying to God that the object move or are you actually expending energy of some type to move it? Got any clues as to how this energy travels/what it is?
Atheistoclast wrote:John P. M. wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:I particularly like this because materialistic science is consistently in denial about the power of mind (and faith) over matter even though there are plenty of scientific studies on the subject of psychosomatic illnesses and cures. What for the scientist is supernatural nonsense, is actually natural mental energy.
I think there's a 'slight' difference between something being psychosomatic, and someone being able to control and manipulate matter apart from their body through the will of their mind alone. I think the world would be a very different place if the latter were the case to a statistically significant degree. How feeble this mental energy must be, considering the lack of results. And yet, it's supposed to be a sort of 'offshoot' from the greatest Force, isn't it?
Oh, but I have successfully experimented with psychokinesis before. I haven't been able to move mountains, or walk on water, but I can get things suspended by a thread to move slightly just with the power of my own concentration.
Of course, Dr. Byron manages to do something more spectacular.
Atheistoclast wrote:There is a scene from the Hammer Horror B-movie, Asylum (1972), which is one of my favorites ever.
A young psychiatrist, Dr. Martin, is visiting an asylum and investigating 4 "incurable cases" of insanity among the patients. He visits a certain, Dr. Byron, who has been making battery-powered puppets/dolls that he is trying to control via his mind.
Dr. Byron believes that he can breathe his consciousness and will into his creations in the same manner as the LORD God breathed life into Adam. He pointedly asks Dr. Martin if he believes in the account of Genesis 2 whereby Dr. Martin replies that he "believes in science". The scene begins at 14:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBl8kYEpS8
Dr. Byron then succeeds in animating his dolls with the power of his mind in the following part of the movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb0AEn3 ... ure=relmfu
I particularly like this because materialistic science is consistently in denial about the power of mind (and faith) over matter even though there are plenty of scientific studies on the subject of psychosomatic illnesses and cures. What for the scientist is supernatural nonsense, is actually natural mental energy.
Animavore wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:
Oh, but I have successfully experimented with psychokinesis before. I haven't been able to move mountains, or walk on water, but I can get things suspended by a thread to move slightly just with the power of my own concentration.
Of course, Dr. Byron manages to do something more spectacular.
Anyone can do that. It's called the "ideomotor effect".
Atheistoclast wrote:I haven't been able to move mountains, or walk on water...
Atheistoclast wrote:
I haven't been able to move mountains
Onyx8 wrote:So AC, are you praying to God that the object move or are you actually expending energy of some type to move it? Got any clues as to how this energy travels/what it is?
Doubtdispelled wrote:Animavore wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:
Oh, but I have successfully experimented with psychokinesis before. I haven't been able to move mountains, or walk on water, but I can get things suspended by a thread to move slightly just with the power of my own concentration.
Of course, Dr. Byron manages to do something more spectacular.
Anyone can do that. It's called the "ideomotor effect".
Wouldn't that only apply if the item's thread is suspended from the person's person, so to speak?
Where precisely, Atheisto, is the thread attached when you do this?
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