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#1  Postby Transilvanian » Aug 16, 2013 5:08 pm

Hy!

My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?

Can you give me example videos or something else where a skeptic is making a very detailed reading to somebody and convincing him/her that he has special skills?


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Re: Cold reading

#2  Postby Animavore » Aug 16, 2013 5:17 pm

Watch anything by Derren Brown if you want to see a skeptic who can 'read minds' and a lot of other stuff.
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#3  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 16, 2013 5:53 pm

Agreed.

Derren Brown videos will give you a good idea of what you can deduce from just looking at someone, or what you can get them to give away without them noticing.

Also just look it up on wiki and check the reference section for literature...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading
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#4  Postby Weaver » Aug 16, 2013 6:43 pm

A lot of the "power" of cold reading lies in people remembering the bits the reader says which are true, and forgetting all the bits the reader says which are false.
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Re: Cold reading

#5  Postby Fallible » Aug 16, 2013 7:01 pm

Transilvanian wrote:Hy!

My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?

Can you give me example videos or something else where a skeptic is making a very detailed reading to somebody and convincing him/her that he has special skills?


Thanks! ... and sorry 4 my English


Cold readers do ask questions, though they are not always identifiable as such to the audience or subject. Sometimes they will be in the form of a statement, and the reader will take us cue from any reaction he gets to t. If there is none, he drops it immediately and moves onto another statement, or in the case of someone like John Edward, he insists he is right about his information but that the subject will need to check it when they get home. In this way the reader is remembered as getting many hits, while the misses are quickly forgotten. Misses can be tailored into hits by giving the subject multiple possibilities in one statement and then following the line the subject picks up on.
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Re: Cold reading

#6  Postby Strontium Dog » Aug 16, 2013 7:14 pm

Transilvanian wrote:My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?


Well, put it this way. I went to a clairvoyant years ago who told me I was on the cusp of Scorpio/Sagittarius, and that my ex-girlfriend was a Gemini. Actually, I'm a couple of days out of the cusp, but nevertheless, it was an impressive degree of accuracy, considering there was no way of her knowing our birthdays. I've never been able to work out precisely how she did it, though naturally there must be a logical explanation.
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Re: Cold reading

#7  Postby Shrunk » Aug 16, 2013 7:22 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
Transilvanian wrote:My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?


Well, put it this way. I went to a clairvoyant years ago who told me I was on the cusp of Scorpio/Sagittarius, and that my ex-girlfriend was a Gemini. Actually, I'm a couple of days out of the cusp, but nevertheless, it was an impressive degree of accuracy, considering there was no way of her knowing our birthdays.


Being wrong (You're not on the cusp) is "an impressive degree of accuracy"?
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Re: Cold reading

#8  Postby BlackBart » Aug 16, 2013 7:24 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
Transilvanian wrote:My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?


Well, put it this way. I went to a clairvoyant years ago who told me I was on the cusp of Scorpio/Sagittarius, and that my ex-girlfriend was a Gemini. Actually, I'm a couple of days out of the cusp, but nevertheless, it was an impressive degree of accuracy, considering there was no way of her knowing our birthdays. I've never been able to work out precisely how she did it, though naturally there must be a logical explanation.

Was she accurate about anything else?
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Re: Cold reading

#9  Postby Animavore » Aug 16, 2013 7:35 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
Transilvanian wrote:My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?


Well, put it this way. I went to a clairvoyant years ago who told me I was on the cusp of Scorpio/Sagittarius, and that my ex-girlfriend was a Gemini. Actually, I'm a couple of days out of the cusp, but nevertheless, it was an impressive degree of accuracy, considering there was no way of her knowing our birthdays. I've never been able to work out precisely how she did it, though naturally there must be a logical explanation.


If there anyway she could've Facebooked you or anything like that? Did you pay by credit card?

Needs moar details :P
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Re: Cold reading

#10  Postby iamthereforeithink » Aug 16, 2013 7:55 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:
Transilvanian wrote:My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?


Well, put it this way. I went to a clairvoyant years ago who told me I was on the cusp of Scorpio/Sagittarius, and that my ex-girlfriend was a Gemini. Actually, I'm a couple of days out of the cusp, but nevertheless, it was an impressive degree of accuracy, considering there was no way of her knowing our birthdays.


Being wrong (You're not on the cusp) is "an impressive degree of accuracy"?


On its own, it seems to be a pretty impressive result, given that there are 360 possible answers. I'm sure that the p-value of coming up with an answer within 2 values of the right answer in a single trial would be well below 0.05, making it statistically significant. What we don't know is if information was provided in other ways that could narrow down the range of possible answers. And of course, highly improbable results do also have to occur at some point, so we can't infer magic from this in any case.
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Re: Cold reading

#11  Postby Emmeline » Aug 16, 2013 8:01 pm

I went to a clairvoyant with a friend who was really into it. The striking thing is that I found myself focusing on the smaller % of things she got right rather than the larger % that were meaningless to me. That's part of how it works I'm sure.
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Re: Cold reading

#12  Postby Strontium Dog » Aug 16, 2013 8:53 pm

Shrunk wrote:Being wrong (You're not on the cusp) is "an impressive degree of accuracy"?


Well, the cusp is generally considered to be a five day period, so your chances of guessing within 2 days of it at random are about 1 in 40. So, yes, I'd say 95+% accuracy is impressive, especially when it's coupled with another accurate guess at odds of 1 in 12.

BlackBart wrote:Was she accurate about anything else?


Yes, but most of it can be explained away easily as classic cold reading stuff, open to several interpretations. And of course, there were misses too, which are also easily explained!

I would say that a gifted cold reader can give you valuable insights into yourself, much as a counsellor would, and she told me some things I needed to hear.

Animavore wrote:If there anyway she could've Facebooked you or anything like that? Did you pay by credit card?

Needs moar details :P


This was in 2004, so no Facebook, and I paid by cash on the day. She only had my first name in advance.

I have the whole session on cassette tape, I must dig it out and listen to it again.
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Re: Cold reading

#13  Postby Transilvanian » Aug 19, 2013 11:44 am

http://www.asztro-show.hu/tv-musor/
In the episode broadcasted on 14th of June, Lomini amazed me...
He knew asking only a name, that:
A woman is working in cosmetics.
That a man has an affare with a woman and he knew her name (Laura) a that she is 28(!). And a lot of other things...
Cold reading and luck can be excluded...

I don't know in what to believe anymore...

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Re: Cold reading

#14  Postby Fallible » Aug 19, 2013 11:45 am

I'm not sure that cold reading and luck can be excluded, or indeed someone milling about listening in on what they were saying beforehand, or what contact was had.
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Re: Cold reading

#15  Postby BlackBart » Aug 19, 2013 4:17 pm

Or that it wasn't merely a complete fabrication.

Probably best not to formulate a worldview based on late night dial-a-psychic shows. :coffee:
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Re: Cold reading

#16  Postby MrFungus420 » Aug 19, 2013 7:23 pm

Transilvanian wrote:http://www.asztro-show.hu/tv-musor/
In the episode broadcasted on 14th of June, Lomini amazed me...
He knew asking only a name, that:
A woman is working in cosmetics.
That a man has an affare with a woman and he knew her name (Laura) a that she is 28(!). And a lot of other things...
Cold reading and luck can be excluded...

I don't know in what to believe anymore...


How do you know that the calls are legitimate?
Assuming that the calls are all legitimate, what sort of information does the call-screener ask about and how much time is there between the screener asking those questions and the call being connected?

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Don't worry. Your English is pretty good.
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Re: Cold reading

#17  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 19, 2013 7:48 pm

Fallible wrote:
Transilvanian wrote:Hy!

My question is:a good cold reader how much details can say for his clients abouth them and about their life-events, without asking anything?
How big is the power of cold reading?

Can you give me example videos or something else where a skeptic is making a very detailed reading to somebody and convincing him/her that he has special skills?


Thanks! ... and sorry 4 my English


Cold readers do ask questions, though they are not always identifiable as such to the audience or subject. Sometimes they will be in the form of a statement, and the reader will take us cue from any reaction he gets to t. If there is none, he drops it immediately and moves onto another statement, or in the case of someone like John Edward, he insists he is right about his information but that the subject will need to check it when they get home. In this way the reader is remembered as getting many hits, while the misses are quickly forgotten. Misses can be tailored into hits by giving the subject multiple possibilities in one statement and then following the line the subject picks up on.


You can also make someone believe that you have nailed them in a 1 to 1 by making general statements that most everyone would agree to about themselves. Everyone thinks they are unique in many ways that they are not.
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Re: Cold reading

#18  Postby Fallible » Aug 19, 2013 7:51 pm

Yep, it's like that thing with the horoscopes. Someone writes one that is the same for every star sign and you still find that people reading them report the comments are spot on.
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