Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#61  Postby Sendraks » Mar 30, 2016 6:41 pm

blue triangle wrote:Yes, I agree about the digits, but the errors are the same, 1 in 90000, and because one is an overestimate and the other an underestimate, they cancel out almost entirely.


I wasn't aware we could just ignore errors like that. How terribly convenient.

blue triangle wrote:You can't get transcendental numbers bang on. They can only ever be approximations.


God is a bit naff then. You'd expect that if anyone was going to get the numbers bang on, it'd be God surely.

blue triangle wrote:But pi and e are both found using exactly the same calculation! And how simple and elegant is it? The simplicity, the economy, the integration, the elegance and the meaningfulness of this phenomenon are exactly what we would expect if God were involved.


You mean something that isn't even correct and requires special pleading to say it is meaningful?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#62  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Mar 30, 2016 6:43 pm

Sendraks wrote:Quotes are slightly messed up towards the end there Thomas, you've got Cito in the quotes when it should BT.

Obviously you'll have to edit the post to correct this, which is clearly only being done because you're trying to hide your attempts to insinuate something about BT. ;)

Fixed. Apologies to Cito.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#63  Postby The_Metatron » Mar 30, 2016 6:47 pm

blue triangle wrote:...

The evidence is contained within the text itself, as letters which when converted into numbers via historically attested systems of alphabetic numeration, and subjected to the simplest of manipulations, hide good approximations of the transcendental numbers pi and e.

...

Historically attested, eh? What the blue fuck does that mean?

All you need to really explain here is why bother with all that conversion bullshit. They had numbers when the goatherds scribbled down their myths. They used numbers all over the fucking place. Why not in this case? Why does this require "historically attested" rubbish?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#64  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 30, 2016 6:55 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
blue triangle wrote:...

The evidence is contained within the text itself, as letters which when converted into numbers via historically attested systems of alphabetic numeration, and subjected to the simplest of manipulations, hide good approximations of the transcendental numbers pi and e.

...

Historically attested, eh? What the blue fuck does that mean?

All you need to really explain here is why bother with all that conversion bullshit. They had numbers when the goatherds scribbled down their myths. They used numbers all over the fucking place. Why not in this case? Why does this require "historically attested" rubbish?


Remember that guy who used a picture of Ash from "Alien" as his avatar. He finally had his meltdown and committed suicide by mod. This character is going to lose interest, too, and perhaps go out in the same sort of blaze of glory. He's not trying to make one post connect with the next any more. What's his point: God works in mysterious ways, necessarily. God doesn't run the show. Believers run the show, in many cases with the support of the state. And that's great for them. What they don't run any more everywhere are the atheists, and that sticks in their craw sometimes. Here we see the excellent example.

Everything but the abyss. Right, BT?

We could try to distract him into arguing whether or not 0.999... is 1.0 or not, but he might not be able to switch tracks very easily.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#65  Postby blue triangle » Mar 30, 2016 7:07 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
blue triangle wrote:
I'm going to refrain from making any smart-arsed comments here (but you know I could


No, you can't. You're a 'layperson'. What you can do is pester a rationalist website with stuff you pull out of your backside, and say, "It's well known." You pulled that out of your backside, as well.


Oh it is well known that the Hebrew scriptures were copied with meticulous accuracy, although there are errors and controversies there for sure. However, the first verse was likely to have been copied correctly and secondly, if there was a kind of teleological process operating here, then it really didn't matter how many errors crept in or at what time. It only matters what we had when the numbers were found, which was in the last 30 years.

blue triangle wrote:You read a book from the start. The words themselves talk about beginnings (as do those of John, another meaningful link). If it was Feigenbaum's constant in there, I wouldn't be so impressed. And if you were going to place a watermark within scripture, authenticating it, wouldn't you place it there right at the start? I would.


You forgot to include how the encoding gives you the numbers you're after.
Vernon Jenkins and Bevan Williams found the numbers. And I don't think they were after pi and e. They found pi and e. The numbers (or the digits thereof) are just there.


What you do, especially if you're a layperson, is develop an encoding that gives you the number you're after.


What you do if you're desperate to win an argument or deny what is before your very eyes is claim something different to what happened. The numbers used are inherent in the text! They define the verses. Abd te formula is beautifully simple! It is the number of letters and words and the characteristic value of those letters and words. All the maths you need is addition, multiplication and division, nothing tortuous or complex.

Theologians aren't interested in this woo-crap. Laypersons only. It's just the sort of crank theory that we'd expect from somebody who's finding the secrets of Atlantis in the history of the Kennedy assasination.


None of that makes any difference here. Is it an encoding or is in an accident? You're using every fallacy under the sun to prove it an accident, but none of it makes the slightest bit of difference, because the numbers are simply there!
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#66  Postby blue triangle » Mar 30, 2016 7:09 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
blue triangle wrote:...

The evidence is contained within the text itself, as letters which when converted into numbers via historically attested systems of alphabetic numeration, and subjected to the simplest of manipulations, hide good approximations of the transcendental numbers pi and e.

...

Historically attested, eh? What the blue fuck does that mean?

All you need to really explain here is why bother with all that conversion bullshit. They had numbers when the goatherds scribbled down their myths. They used numbers all over the fucking place. Why not in this case? Why does this require "historically attested" rubbish?


Remember that guy who used a picture of Ash from "Alien" as his avatar. He finally had his meltdown and committed suicide by mod. This character is going to lose interest, too, and perhaps go out in the same sort of blaze of glory. He's not trying to make one post connect with the next any more. What's his point: God works in mysterious ways, necessarily. God doesn't run the show. Believers run the show, in many cases with the support of the state. And that's great for them. What they don't run any more everywhere are the atheists, and that sticks in their craw sometimes. Here we see the excellent example.

Everything but the abyss. Right, BT?

We could try to distract him into arguing whether or not 0.999... is 1.0 or not, but he might not be able to switch tracks very easily.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#67  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 30, 2016 7:15 pm

blue triangle wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
blue triangle wrote:...

The evidence is contained within the text itself, as letters which when converted into numbers via historically attested systems of alphabetic numeration, and subjected to the simplest of manipulations, hide good approximations of the transcendental numbers pi and e.

...

Historically attested, eh? What the blue fuck does that mean?

All you need to really explain here is why bother with all that conversion bullshit. They had numbers when the goatherds scribbled down their myths. They used numbers all over the fucking place. Why not in this case? Why does this require "historically attested" rubbish?


Remember that guy who used a picture of Ash from "Alien" as his avatar. He finally had his meltdown and committed suicide by mod. This character is going to lose interest, too, and perhaps go out in the same sort of blaze of glory. He's not trying to make one post connect with the next any more. What's his point: God works in mysterious ways, necessarily. God doesn't run the show. Believers run the show, in many cases with the support of the state. And that's great for them. What they don't run any more everywhere are the atheists, and that sticks in their craw sometimes. Here we see the excellent example.

Everything but the abyss. Right, BT?

We could try to distract him into arguing whether or not 0.999... is 1.0 or not, but he might not be able to switch tracks very easily.
They are equal. :grin:


Do you know how to prove it, or will you just cite the result as 'historically attested'?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#68  Postby blue triangle » Mar 30, 2016 7:21 pm

Sendraks wrote:
blue triangle wrote:Yes, I agree about the digits, but the errors are the same, 1 in 90000, and because one is an overestimate and the other an underestimate, they cancel out almost entirely.


I wasn't aware we could just ignore errors like that. How terribly convenient.


But given that the text had to make grammatical sense it's a miracle they are in there at all. Anyway, the question here isn't 'could God have done better?' It's 'how likely is it that this is just coincidence?' I'll tell you: not very likely. Could you comment on that?

blue triangle wrote:You can't get transcendental numbers bang on. They can only ever be approximations.


God is a bit naff then. You'd expect that if anyone was going to get the numbers bang on, it'd be God surely. The purpose of this thread is to show AlanB evidence of the existence of a non-physical mind that can interact with matter, not to argue over how well God can do. If there is no non-physical mind (or something not currently recognised by materialists), how do you explain it?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#69  Postby Cito di Pense » Mar 30, 2016 7:23 pm

blue triangle wrote:
What you do if you're desperate to win an argument or deny what is before your very eyes is claim something different to what happened. The numbers used are inherent in the text! They define the verses. Abd te formula is beautifully simple! It is the number of letters and words and the characteristic value of those letters and words. All the maths you need is addition, multiplication and division, nothing tortuous or complex.


Do you know what you're saying, here? You're saying that atheists are denying God because the Truth is inconvenient for them. Pull the other one. It has bells on it.

blue triangle wrote:
But given that the text had to make grammatical sense it's a miracle they are in there at all.


Sounds as if you have miracles in every direction you look. So why isn't it working with the skeptics. What is this strange power they have to resist the blandishments of the miraculous?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#70  Postby TopCat » Mar 30, 2016 7:25 pm

blue triangle wrote:But pi and e are both found using exactly the same calculation!

Er no. :naughty:

In fact, 10^17 times pi (accurate to only 4 decimals), and 10^40 times e (accurate to only 3 decimals) are found this way.

Neither one is remotely close to pi or e, and in order to shoehorn this notion of the errors cancelling out, you have to arbitrarily ignore the 10^17 in the first case and the 10^40 in the second case.

And how simple and elegant is it?

Not very. It's a contortion of arbitrary post-hoc pattern seeking.

The simplicity, the economy, the integration, the elegance and the meaningfulness of this phenomenon are exactly what we would expect if God were involved.

It really, really isn't.

It is, however, exactly what we would expect if people with only a moderate grasp of arithmetic and a poor imagination, coupled with way too much time on their hands, created god in their own image.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#71  Postby Shrunk » Mar 30, 2016 7:47 pm

blue triangle wrote:It's 'how likely is it that this is just coincidence?' I'll tell you: not very likely.


Well, thanks for telling us. The coincidences which we bother talking about are never very likely, of course. Neither are the ones we ignore, however. Care to explain the difference?

The coincidence of us having this discussion regardingt pi, after some point in the past that was the equivalent of pi (to five significant figures) x 1040 minutes ago, is also not very likely. And yet here we are. Can you explain that?
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#72  Postby Thommo » Mar 30, 2016 7:58 pm

TopCat wrote:Neither one is remotely close to pi or e, and in order to shoehorn this notion of the errors cancelling out, you have to arbitrarily ignore the 10^17 in the first case and the 10^40 in the second case.


Also, if you cancel the errors (i.e. compare the sum of pi+e to the sum of the pi-approximation+e-approximation) you find that the errors don't cancel and the sum still only agrees for the first 5 digits. The stuff about error cancelling is simply a lie.

blue triangle wrote:None of that makes any difference here. Is it an encoding or is in an accident? You're using every fallacy under the sun to prove it an accident, but none of it makes the slightest bit of difference, because the numbers are simply there!


That's a lie too. The numbers that are "simply there" are:

90 200 1 5 400 1 6 40 10 40 300 5 400 1 40 10 5 30 1 1 200 2 400 10 300 1 200 2

and

5 50 1 100 600 (fudged) 8 50 70 30 70 3 70 200 20 1 10 70 30 70 3 70 200 8 50 80 100 70 200 300 70 50 9 5 70 50 20 1 10 9 5 70 200 8 50 70 30 70 3 70 200

What should be fairly immediately obvious about these is that they are not equal to pi and e.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#73  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Mar 30, 2016 8:14 pm

blue triangle wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
blue triangle wrote:
I'm going to refrain from making any smart-arsed comments here (but you know I could


No, you can't. You're a 'layperson'. What you can do is pester a rationalist website with stuff you pull out of your backside, and say, "It's well known." You pulled that out of your backside, as well.


Oh it is well known that the Hebrew scriptures were copied with meticulous accuracy

Mindlessly regurgitating your initial blind assertion, doesn't magically make it true.

blue triangle wrote:although there are errors and controversies there for sure.

Then it wasn't copied with meticulous accuracy now was it?
Or are 'meticulous' and 'accuracy' yet more words you do not understand?

blue triangle wrote: However, the first verse was likely to have been copied correctly

How do you know this?
Stop confusing blind assertions for evidence.

blue triangle wrote: and secondly, if there was a kind of teleological process operating here, then it really didn't matter how many errors crept in or at what time.

Actually it does. If it was inspired by divine powers would it not likely have no errors in it whatsoever?

blue triangle wrote: It only matters what we had when the numbers were found, which was in the last 30 years.

1. How is that relevant?
2. How do you know this?

blue triangle wrote:
blue triangle wrote:You read a book from the start. The words themselves talk about beginnings (as do those of John, another meaningful link). If it was Feigenbaum's constant in there, I wouldn't be so impressed. And if you were going to place a watermark within scripture, authenticating it, wouldn't you place it there right at the start? I would.


You forgot to include how the encoding gives you the numbers you're after.
Vernon Jenkins and Bevan Williams found the numbers.

How do you know this?

blue triangle wrote: And I don't think they were after pi and e.

How do you know this?

blue triangle wrote: They found pi and e. The numbers (or the digits thereof) are just there.

Except they aren't unless and until you apply an arbitrary matrix.


blue triangle wrote:
What you do, especially if you're a layperson, is develop an encoding that gives you the number you're after.


What you do if you're desperate to win an argument or deny what is before your very eyes is claim something different to what happened.

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blue triangle wrote: The numbers used are inherent in the text!

Mindlessly asserting the same unsubstantiated claim over and over doesn't magically make it true!

blue triangle wrote: They define the verses.

Blind assertion # 93258

blue triangle wrote: Abd te formula is beautifully simple! It is the number of letters and words and the characteristic value of those letters and words.
It's also completely subjective and arbitrary.

blue triangle wrote: All the maths you need is addition, multiplication and division, nothing tortuous or complex.

You do realise this only serves as evidence that, if this was deliberate, it was done by humans, not divine inspiration?
And therefore does not serve as evidence of the divine in any way?

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Theologians aren't interested in this woo-crap. Laypersons only. It's just the sort of crank theory that we'd expect from somebody who's finding the secrets of Atlantis in the history of the Kennedy assasination.

None of that makes any difference here. Is it an encoding or is in an accident?

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof.

blue triangle wrote:You're using every fallacy under the sun to prove it an accident, but none of it makes the slightest bit of difference, because the numbers are simply there!

Your desperately flinging any insults and accusations you can think of to dismiss your interlocutors and their posts out of hand.
Your dishonest behaviour is crystal clear BT. You won't fool anyone.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#74  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Mar 30, 2016 8:16 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
blue triangle wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
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Historically attested, eh? What the blue fuck does that mean?

All you need to really explain here is why bother with all that conversion bullshit. They had numbers when the goatherds scribbled down their myths. They used numbers all over the fucking place. Why not in this case? Why does this require "historically attested" rubbish?


Remember that guy who used a picture of Ash from "Alien" as his avatar. He finally had his meltdown and committed suicide by mod. This character is going to lose interest, too, and perhaps go out in the same sort of blaze of glory. He's not trying to make one post connect with the next any more. What's his point: God works in mysterious ways, necessarily. God doesn't run the show. Believers run the show, in many cases with the support of the state. And that's great for them. What they don't run any more everywhere are the atheists, and that sticks in their craw sometimes. Here we see the excellent example.

Everything but the abyss. Right, BT?

We could try to distract him into arguing whether or not 0.999... is 1.0 or not, but he might not be able to switch tracks very easily.
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Do you know how to prove it, or will you just cite the result as 'historically attested'?

It'd probably done tested by real life theologians innit? :lol:
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#75  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Mar 30, 2016 8:19 pm

blue triangle wrote:
Sendraks wrote:
blue triangle wrote:Yes, I agree about the digits, but the errors are the same, 1 in 90000, and because one is an overestimate and the other an underestimate, they cancel out almost entirely.


I wasn't aware we could just ignore errors like that. How terribly convenient.


But given that the text had to make grammatical sense it's a miracle they are in there at all.

Yet another baseless non-sequitur.
Blindly declaring things to be amazing or miracles doesn't make it so.

blue triangle wrote: Anyway, the question here isn't 'could God have done better?' It's 'how likely is it that this is just coincidence?' I'll tell you: not very likely. Could you comment on that?

Yes, you've blindly asserted that over and over. The burden is on you to prove it, not on those who doubt your claims to disprove it.
Stop acting so dishonest BT.

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blue triangle wrote:You can't get transcendental numbers bang on. They can only ever be approximations.


God is a bit naff then. You'd expect that if anyone was going to get the numbers bang on, it'd be God surely.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#76  Postby Blackadder » Mar 30, 2016 8:25 pm

So God the Almighty, the Omnipotent, who can do anything, could simply show himself and demonstrate his power by, I dunno, swapping the orbits of Saturn and Neptune for example, chooses instead to lurk in the shadows and play some inane game of celestial fucking Sudoku. Yeah right. What a steaming bucket o' pish. Someone needs to get out more and get laid.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#77  Postby zoon » Mar 30, 2016 8:27 pm

It does seem to me that if God's estimate for pi is out by a factor of 10^17, and His estimate for e by a factor of 10^40, then He isn't trying very hard.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#78  Postby TopCat » Mar 30, 2016 8:38 pm

blue triangle wrote:
wrote:There are lots of rational approximations to pi that are a damn sight better than this one -

too true, but there's lots more in there, and IMO it would be wasteful and maybe even a violation of our free will to reject God if we wish, to put undeniable evidence before us, say pi to 40 decimal places. It should make you think though, at the very least.

By the way, I found this rather telling.

So what you'd have us believe is that there is some arbitrary level of precision (a pathetic four or five decimal places) that is clear evidence of God's activity, but beyond which God wouldn't go, for fear of being too convincing?

Really? Seriously????

This is just bonkers.

Do you honestly not even have a twinge of conscience-pricking doubt about this sort of thing? Are you really so far gone that this bilge actually sounds sensible to you?

Even in my fundiest YEC days I would have been ashamed and embarrassed to trot out this kind of lunacy. And believe me, I talked some shit back then.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#79  Postby blue triangle » Mar 30, 2016 8:44 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:

We could try to distract him into arguing whether or not 0.999... is 1.0 or not, but he might not be able to switch tracks very easily.
They are equal. :grin:


Do you know how to prove it, or will you just cite the result as 'historically attested'?
I didn't come here to talk maths with you, Cito di Pense. Instead of trying to distract me (and I wont be distracted this time, so give it up) why don't you show me how the appearance of pi and e in scripture could be explained in naturalistic terms. You made a lot of noise pal, so it's time to put up or shut up.
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Re: Mathematical Absolutes in Scripture

#80  Postby Onyx8 » Mar 30, 2016 8:46 pm

And how do errors in different numbers 'cancel' anyway? If I build a door frame an inch too tall and a window frame an inch too short, will everything fit just fine? (Never mind building it 10^17th too tall, and 10^40th too short)
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