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#1  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 25, 2017 4:58 pm

In case you guys don't know Johanna Michaelsen is a Christian fundamentalist who claimed to have worked with a psychic surgeon and after in Satanic Ritual Abuse. She had been mentioned several times on this forum and I wish to refute and clear up this mess she created once and for all so that people know they are dealing with a faker.


I had gone out of my way to research Johanna and the psychic she she realized it was "satanic" became a Christian fundamentalist who believed supposedly worked with.

Here is what I found

1) Stanley Krippner, who was mentioned in her book said his friend Montague Ullman had visited the same psychic and tested the blood and guts from the surgery and they were from animals. This was from a personal email I had with him. As well a Mexican skeptic, Mauricio-José Schwarz I talked with claimed even during her Hayday Pachita was accused of using animal parts

2)Also the musician *Charles Mingus had visited the same psychic johanna had worked with for a cure for ALS. There was no evidence that the surgery had taken place, no marks no scratches, not one drop of blood. Also the psychic kept on prescribing quack diets and Mingus died a few months after seeing the psychic. Page 107, Better Git It in Your Soul: An Interpretive Biography of Charles Mingus, 2016, Krin Gabbard

3)Also the origin story the psychic told Johanna and the director Alejandro Add to dictionary contracts each other. Page 122 of Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelsen vs The Dance of Reality: A Psychomagical Autobiography (Magic Masters Shamans) Alejandro Jodorowsky

4)Johanna claimed that there was a magic light on page 92 of her that allowed her to see all surgeries super clearly but other visitors claimed it was so dark they couldn't see anything at all. Even quacks like Alberto Villido as well as people who accompanied Andrjia Puharich claimed it was too dark to really see anything and that all sorts of fraud could have taken place.

5) Her own testimony that she gives as presentations sometimes contradicts her book.

6) This one is a little silly but I found someone online who asked Hal Lindsey who wrote the forward to her book and asked Hal about Johanna's story and Hal was apparently very vague about it. sustainedreactiondotyukudot/topic/5840/The-Death-of-Charles-Mingus?page=1

7) Her (step?) children seem to promote not only Yoga (she rallies against Yoga all the time) but appear to support progressive websites like Daily Kos (Social justice is of the devil!), suggesting that those with behind the scene knowledge aren't convinced of her truth

8) Another lunatic "scientist" Jacobo Grinberg claimed that Pachita the psychic Johanna Michalesen worked with can spawn organs for transplant OUT OF NOTHING. While Johanna claimed Pachita needed to buy them from the local morgue. Is it a power that Pachita needs to save up mana to use?

9) There is another lunatic Scientist in Memories of a Maverick, the biography of Puharich that claimed Pachita the psychic did a BRAIN TRANSPLANT. Which basically means she brought a dead guy back to life, so what was so special about Jesus coming back from the dead then huh?

10) She STLL promotes SRA 20 years after its been debunked, and as well claims to be an "expert" on the occult despite pushing lies like on the origins of Halloween, Rammerstein causing the columbine massacre etc....

I am making this list because Michaelsen's story had bothered me for years and I need to a place to refute it once and for all, also because I hear she is trying to republish her work so that a new generation of children will be terrorized and this could be a place they find to refute.


If anyone here was a former fundie or knows something about Michaelsen/her psychic friend let me know!
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#2  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 27, 2017 4:24 pm

another one

11) She claims that tumors cut out of patients smell like rotting meat, but even large cancers don't always have a smell comparable to rotting meat according to actual cancer doctors. Not even if they do have extensive necrosis. And the size that a "psychic surgeon" handles is small enough to be palmed by him (this is a close up setting) is not what would be considered a large cancer which would be prone to extensive necrosis.

but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video https.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows the psychic supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?
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#3  Postby laklak » Apr 27, 2017 6:25 pm

Anyone stupid enough to believe in "psychic surgery" deserves whatever happens to them. You can't fix stupid.
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#4  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 28, 2017 12:03 am

laklak wrote:Anyone stupid enough to believe in "psychic surgery" deserves whatever happens to them. You can't fix stupid.

do you think Michaelsen is deluded or just a liar? I lean more towards delueded, a certain type of special to believe in not only satanic panic but also think that dungeons and dragons promote black magic, and I guess money and fame are a good side effect
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#5  Postby laklak » Apr 28, 2017 1:34 am

She's a lying sack of shit and a con artist. ALL woo merchants are lying sacks of shit and con artists.
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#6  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 29, 2017 1:40 am

ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?
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#7  Postby Fallible » Apr 29, 2017 7:55 am

I don't understand what needs confirming. People can't do psychic surgery, so when you see someone ostensibly doing psychic surgery, the only explanation is that they are perpetrating a con.
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#8  Postby surreptitious57 » Apr 29, 2017 11:51 am

wakawakawaka wrote:
one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery
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#9  Postby laklak » Apr 29, 2017 2:36 pm

Could a nerd strangle an athlete with psychic thighs?
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#10  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 30, 2017 4:13 pm

Fallible wrote:I don't understand what needs confirming. People can't do psychic surgery, so when you see someone ostensibly doing psychic surgery, the only explanation is that they are perpetrating a con.

I just want some confirmation that what I observed is correct and that you guys notice the same things, I am trying to get good at detecting these kinds of fraud its why I am asking
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#11  Postby Fallible » Apr 30, 2017 4:18 pm

You can detect fraud the second you see anyone claiming to be able to conduct psychic surgery, because such a thing does not exist. Exactly how a specific individual perpetrates that fraud is neither here nor there. You already know it's fraud.
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#12  Postby laklak » Apr 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Couple if hints:

If the word "psychic" appears anywhere in it, it's bullshit.

If they mention "chakras", it's bullshit.

If they say something like "doctors don't want you to know this", it's bullshit.

"Ancient wisdom" anything it bullshit.

There are other telltale signs of bullshit, but that's a start.
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#13  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 30, 2017 6:02 pm

Fallible wrote:You can detect fraud the second you see anyone claiming to be able to conduct psychic surgery, because such a thing does not exist. Exactly how a specific individual perpetrates that fraud is neither here nor there. You already know it's fraud.

I am aware of that but I just want to know my observations are right that I am correctly perceiving how they did the fraud
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#14  Postby Pebble » Apr 30, 2017 6:28 pm

wakawakawaka wrote:ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?


All I can see are some rather poor quality black and white photos, who knows what is happening there.
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#15  Postby wakawakawaka » Apr 30, 2017 10:48 pm

Pebble wrote:
wakawakawaka wrote:ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?


All I can see are some rather poor quality black and white photos, who knows what is happening there.

I am talking about the close up of the back surgery shot, the quality of that one is "better" I guess I was hoping I wasn't seeing things
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#16  Postby Pebble » May 01, 2017 6:44 am

wakawakawaka wrote:
Pebble wrote:
wakawakawaka wrote:ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?


All I can see are some rather poor quality black and white photos, who knows what is happening there.

I am talking about the close up of the back surgery shot, the quality of that one is "better" I guess I was hoping I wasn't seeing things


Can't help you there, having looked at everything between 30 & 34, there is absolutely nothing that is of sufficient clarity to help. Merhaps your imagination is filling in the blanks.
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#17  Postby wakawakawaka » May 01, 2017 3:49 pm

Pebble wrote:
wakawakawaka wrote:
Pebble wrote:
wakawakawaka wrote:ok but there is one last thing I want people to take a look at, some one in 2006 acutally bothered to make a film about the psychic mentioned by Michaelsen.There are photos of that said psychic from from about 30:00-34:00 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqmxxe9UB08&t=2019s

one of the pictures shows her supposedly doing back surgery, the director provided an enhanced shot, not only does there seem to be something strange underneath a piece of the cotton, something long and stiff but also the flow of blood seemed to be a bit strange, if you notice at the edge of the back being operated on the blood seems to flow in a curved direction, unlikely if the blood was really coming from the spine.

can anyone confirm my theory, is my analysis of the photos accurate?


All I can see are some rather poor quality black and white photos, who knows what is happening there.

I am talking about the close up of the back surgery shot, the quality of that one is "better" I guess I was hoping I wasn't seeing things


Can't help you there, having looked at everything between 30 & 34, there is absolutely nothing that is of sufficient clarity to help. Merhaps your imagination is filling in the blanks.


the enchanced photo of the back surgery? the blood on the left corner seems to be flowing in an arc, if it really was blood from the spine would It flow that way?
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#18  Postby theropod » May 01, 2017 4:33 pm

For fucks sake! Enhanced photo of the fraud/scam/illusion?

There is no surgery. It has begun to appear as if no answer is the one you're looking for.

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#19  Postby Fallible » May 01, 2017 5:12 pm

It's nerd thighs all the way down.
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#20  Postby BlackBart » May 01, 2017 5:42 pm

Ah. The Transylvanian school of posting. Textbook stuff.
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