What's particularly strange about Mystic Manuel here is that anecdote in Spanish is nearly exactly the same as in English: anécdota

ORZIL wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

ORZIL wrote:Spirits are the souls of the dead.

Yes, well done, you've just parroted the claim. Now, see how clever you are by providing robust evidence that supports that assertion.

A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

So... what part of robust didn't you get? It's not down to me to to explain it. It's down to you to provide evidence that allows us to conclude it's not delusion or fabrication.

BlackBart wrote:

ORZIL wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

ORZIL wrote:Spirits are the souls of the dead.

Yes, well done, you've just parroted the claim. Now, see how clever you are by providing robust evidence that supports that assertion.

A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

So... what part of robust didn't you get? It's not down to me to to explain it. It's down to you to provide evidence that allows us to conclude it's not delusion or fabrication.

The English word robust is simple, but you have to remember that in another language it can be incredibly tricky, as with the Spanish version of this word, i.e. robusto

ORZIL wrote:
A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

ORZIL wrote:one day I went to a spiritist center, and asked for information about the whereabouts of a childhood friend who had not heard from him for over ten years, and the person who has mediumship told me that he lived in such a city, such a neighborhood, on such a street, and up to the house number, I went there and found this friend. the information was correct, even the house number was correct.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

ORZIL wrote:one day I went to a spiritist center, and asked for information about the whereabouts of a childhood friend who had not heard from him for over ten years, and the person who has mediumship told me that he lived in such a city, such a neighborhood, on such a street, and up to the house number, I went there and found this friend. the information was correct, even the house number was correct.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

At the time, the words, spiritist and the word mediums, did not exist.
your bible has been modified.

ORZIL wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

ORZIL wrote:one day I went to a spiritist center, and asked for information about the whereabouts of a childhood friend who had not heard from him for over ten years, and the person who has mediumship told me that he lived in such a city, such a neighborhood, on such a street, and up to the house number, I went there and found this friend. the information was correct, even the house number was correct.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

At the time, the words, spiritist and the word mediums, did not exist.
your bible has been modified.

It's not 'my' bible, and of course those words didn't exist - there was no English at all, nor Spanish.

But the translation obviously conveys the same implication: people who claim to be able to speak to the dead and communicate with the 'spirit' world.

It's not me who's supposed to be worried about following the prescriptions in the Bible, that would be for Christians to worry about... you know... like you?

for me the cause of the facts is the spirits
the spirits are only the souls of the dead
When you die, you will be a spirit.
Can you convince me that I'm wrong.

ORZIL wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

ORZIL wrote:one day I went to a spiritist center, and asked for information about the whereabouts of a childhood friend who had not heard from him for over ten years, and the person who has mediumship told me that he lived in such a city, such a neighborhood, on such a street, and up to the house number, I went there and found this friend. the information was correct, even the house number was correct.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

At the time, the words, spiritist and the word mediums, did not exist.
your bible has been modified.

Wow, that is spectacularly poor.

Fallible wrote:

ORZIL wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
A friend who does not speak other languages during a mediumship manifestation can speak in the Arabic language. How do you explain this phenomenon?

ORZIL wrote:one day I went to a spiritist center, and asked for information about the whereabouts of a childhood friend who had not heard from him for over ten years, and the person who has mediumship told me that he lived in such a city, such a neighborhood, on such a street, and up to the house number, I went there and found this friend. the information was correct, even the house number was correct.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31

Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.

Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

At the time, the words, spiritist and the word mediums, did not exist.
your bible has been modified.

Wow, that is spectacularly poor.

Why do you think that?

ORZIL wrote:for me the cause of the facts is the spirits
the spirits are only the souls of the dead
When you die, you will be a spirit.
Can you convince me that I'm wrong.

Why would I need to convince you that you're wrong?

Not a game I'm interested in. Someone who thinks like that probably also thinks that sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting LALALA is a supreme defense.

What you need to be doing is trying to convince others that you're not delusional.

So where can I find a spirit?

Can I photograph one?

Can I weigh a spirit?

Can I measure one with a ruler?

ORZIL wrote::think:

Fallible wrote:

ORZIL wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Leviticus 19:31



Oops!


Can we sing the "I'm a Christian" song now? The one with the refrain about never having read the Bible?

At the time, the words, spiritist and the word mediums, did not exist.
your bible has been modified.

Wow, that is spectacularly poor.

Why do you think that?

Because it is poor, obviously.

ORZIL wrote:
Why do you think that?

Because you're pretending to be a Christian while disobeying a direct command in the Bible supposedly decreed by the Christian god. Then, when faced with the scripture you must-needs rely on, you deflect it with an argument from etymology.

Did you even let your mind reflect on it, or did you just knee-jerk a reply?

for me the cause of the facts is the spirits
the spirits are only the souls of the dead
When you die, you will be a spirit.

Spirits don't exist. Life is biochemical. When you die, you rot.

Can you prove me wrong?

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:for me the cause of the facts is the spirits
the spirits are only the souls of the dead
When you die, you will be a spirit.
Can you convince me that I'm wrong.

Why would I need to convince you that you're wrong?

Not a game I'm interested in. Someone who thinks like that probably also thinks that sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting LALALA is a supreme defense.

What you need to be doing is trying to convince others that you're not delusional.

So where can I find a spirit?

Can I photograph one?

Can I weigh a spirit?

Can I measure one with a ruler?

good questions.
mediumship proves that spirits interact with matter.
In this debate I can learn a lot about skepticism.
I can abandon these beliefs.
It's going to be a long debate. Are you willing to learn things you don't know yet?

ORZIL wrote:
good questions.
mediumship proves that spirits interact with matter.
In this debate I can learn a lot about skepticism.
I can abandon these beliefs.
It's going to be a long debate. Are you willing to learn things you don't know yet?

You mean, purported mediumship, don'tcha? Abandon your beliefs unless you can start bending some spoons. Spoooooons!

I can't learn anything from somebody who only knows how to tell big stories, unless its about how stories can be so uplifiting.

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
Why do you think that?

Because you're pretending to be a Christian while disobeying a direct command in the Bible supposedly decreed by the Christian god. Then, when faced with the scripture you must-needs rely on, you deflect it with an argument from etymology.

Did you even let your mind reflect on it, or did you just knee-jerk a reply?

the bible has many contradictions.
but I won't argue about that.
The theme is about the existence or non-existence of spirits.

ORZIL wrote:
The theme is about the existence or non-existence of spirits.

No, it isn't. To lead the discussion of spirits, try bending a spoon. Spooooooooon! Take a spoon of methylene spirits and wolf it down, then get back to me. From the spirit world, of course.

Cito di Pense wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
good questions.
mediumship proves that spirits interact with matter.
In this debate I can learn a lot about skepticism.
I can abandon these beliefs.
It's going to be a long debate. Are you willing to learn things you don't know yet?

You mean, purported mediumship, don'tcha? Abandon your beliefs unless you can start bending some spoons. Spoooooons!

I can't learn anything from somebody who only knows how to tell big stories, unless its about how stories can be so uplifiting.

I just want to debate whether or not the spirits exist.
if I am wrong, I abandon this belief.
It's just a friendly debate.

Cito di Pense wrote:

ORZIL wrote:
The theme is about the existence or non-existence of spirits.

No, it isn't. To lead the discussion of spirits, try bending a spoon. Spooooooooon! Take a spoon of methylene spirits and wolf it down, then get back to me. From the spirit world, of course.

but I have no mediumship of physical effects.
How did you come to the conclusion that spirits do not exist?
What is your empirical evidence that this is a groundless belief?
if you are correct, I abandon this belief.

ORZIL wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

ORZIL wrote:for me the cause of the facts is the spirits
the spirits are only the souls of the dead
When you die, you will be a spirit.
Can you convince me that I'm wrong.

Why would I need to convince you that you're wrong?

Not a game I'm interested in. Someone who thinks like that probably also thinks that sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting LALALA is a supreme defense.

What you need to be doing is trying to convince others that you're not delusional.

So where can I find a spirit?

Can I photograph one?

Can I weigh a spirit?

Can I measure one with a ruler?

good questions.

Yes, they are. Let’s see what you do with them.

mediumship proves that spirits interact with matter.

No, you see this is just you asserting your apparent personal view as a fact. You do know that your belief is founded on a famous scam busted decades ago, don’t you?

In this debate I can learn a lot about skepticism.

This isn’t a debate. It’s one individual lost in the 19th century, bringing a chapstick to a gunfight.

I can abandon these beliefs.

If in fact you even hold them.

It's going to be a long debate.

It isn’t, trust me.

Are you willing to learn things you don't know yet?

Always. Always willing to learn from someone equipped to teach. Please direct me to such a person.