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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#221  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Fallible wrote:Now that’s just wrong. There are also monks...


Oh. Yeah, yeah. Uh, that's true. Yeah.


Fallible wrote:... and nuns.


Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the monks and the nuns.


BlackBart wrote:Its claimed a ghost bear haunts the Tower of London. Just saying.


Well, yeah. Obviously the ghost bear that haunts the Tower of London. I mean, the ghost bear that haunts the Tower of London goes without saying, doesn't it? But apart from the monks, the nuns, and the ghost bear that haunts the Tower of London...


Fallible wrote:You know,I think we are all overlooking Gef the talking mongoose from Cashen’s Gap. :coffee:


Right...


BlackBart wrote:IWell, yes. Obviously.

And how could we forget Wortfish's Warp Drive Enabled Psychic Ghost cat?


All right, but apart from the monks... the nuns... the ghost bear that haunts the Tower of London... Gef the talking mongoose from Cashen's Gap... and Wortfish's Warp Drive Enabled Psychic Ghost cat... why are there never GHOST ANTS? That's what I want to know!
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#222  Postby Fallible » Nov 22, 2019 8:05 pm

OMG, yes! I knew it! Whatever ‘it’ is...
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#223  Postby Fallible » Nov 22, 2019 8:07 pm

Well you see ants are little and even when it’s ghosts of people you only catch them out of the corner of your eye. Therefore something.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#224  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 22, 2019 8:09 pm

Fallible wrote:Well you see ants are little and even when it’s ghosts of people you only catch them out of the corner of your eye. Therefore something.



I don't want to catch one in the corner of my eye - you could go blind like that!
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#225  Postby BlackBart » Nov 22, 2019 8:12 pm

Fallible wrote:Well you see ants are little


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#226  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 22, 2019 8:18 pm

I definitely don't want to find one of those in my eye, ghost or corporeal!
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#227  Postby Fallible » Nov 22, 2019 8:22 pm

All my are assumptions being challenged, and I’m loving it.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#228  Postby Thommo » Nov 22, 2019 8:59 pm

BlackBart wrote:Well, yes. Obviously.

And how could we forget Wortfish's Warp Drive Enabled Psychic Ghost cat?


Oh my goodness. I had forgotten! How could I? :(
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#229  Postby BlackBart » Nov 22, 2019 9:42 pm

Thommo wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Well, yes. Obviously.

And how could we forget Wortfish's Warp Drive Enabled Psychic Ghost cat?


Oh my goodness. I had forgotten! How could I? :(


Maybe it had an S.E.P Field as well as warp drive? :ask:
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#230  Postby Thommo » Nov 22, 2019 9:45 pm

Of course! :lol:
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#231  Postby ORZIL » Nov 24, 2019 7:35 pm

those who argue for ghosts explicitly do not base their arguments on empirical evidence.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#232  Postby Sendraks » Nov 24, 2019 7:44 pm

ORZIL wrote:those who argue for ghosts explicitly do not base their arguments on empirical evidence.


Yes, we know. :coffee:
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#233  Postby Svartalf » Nov 24, 2019 8:32 pm

problem is that there is precisely no empirical evidence, or even anything that might qualify as logical evidence, I put ghosts and spirits in the same category as divine beings.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#234  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 24, 2019 10:38 pm

ORZIL wrote:those who argue for ghosts explicitly do not base their arguments on empirical evidence.



Well, no, of course not. Otherwise the argument would have either never begun, or would've been over immediately.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#235  Postby Thommo » Nov 24, 2019 11:41 pm

ORZIL wrote:those who argue for ghosts explicitly do not base their arguments on empirical evidence.


Sometimes. What do you call it when they say "Me and my friends saw a ghost in such and such place" or "here's a photo of what we think is a ghost" though?

Those are certainly empirical, and the claimant is clearly calling it evidence.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#236  Postby ORZIL » Nov 27, 2019 4:06 pm

Svartalf wrote:problem is that there is precisely no empirical evidence, or even anything that might qualify as logical evidence, I put ghosts and spirits in the same category as divine beings.

How did you reach that conlucsion?
what is your empirical evidence?
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#237  Postby Svartalf » Nov 27, 2019 4:14 pm

absence of evidence seems, in the current case, seem to be worth a licence to ignore and regard as woo, if not a full case of evidence of absence.

if the belief in such beings is not supported by anything verifiable, Ockham's razor dictates that the importance of the purported being is null and negligible.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#238  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 27, 2019 5:33 pm

ORZIL wrote:
Svartalf wrote:problem is that there is precisely no empirical evidence, or even anything that might qualify as logical evidence, I put ghosts and spirits in the same category as divine beings.

How did you reach that conlucsion?
what is your empirical evidence?


You may need to re-translate what is written above.

There is no empirical evidence or logical evidence for ghosts.

You replied asking for empirical evidence.

If you are the proponent of ghosts' existence, it is your duty to supply that evidence, particularly if you wish to claim that there is evidence.
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#239  Postby ORZIL » Nov 27, 2019 6:34 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
ORZIL wrote:
Svartalf wrote:problem is that there is precisely no empirical evidence, or even anything that might qualify as logical evidence, I put ghosts and spirits in the same category as divine beings.

How did you reach that conlucsion?
what is your empirical evidence?


You may need to re-translate what is written above.

There is no empirical evidence or logical evidence for ghosts.

You replied asking for empirical evidence.

If you are the proponent of ghosts' existence, it is your duty to supply that evidence, particularly if you wish to claim that there is evidence.

The view that the existence or nonexistence of spirits is currently unknown but not necessarily unknowable; therefore, we will retain judgment until evidence, if any, becomes available.
Can only the scientific method provide evidence?
if so, why?
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Re: UK: Belief in ghosts is rising

#240  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 27, 2019 6:41 pm

ORZIL wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
ORZIL wrote:
Svartalf wrote:problem is that there is precisely no empirical evidence, or even anything that might qualify as logical evidence, I put ghosts and spirits in the same category as divine beings.

How did you reach that conlucsion?
what is your empirical evidence?


You may need to re-translate what is written above.

There is no empirical evidence or logical evidence for ghosts.

You replied asking for empirical evidence.

If you are the proponent of ghosts' existence, it is your duty to supply that evidence, particularly if you wish to claim that there is evidence.

The view that the existence or nonexistence of spirits is currently unknown but not necessarily unknowable; therefore, we will retain judgment until evidence, if any, becomes available.
Can only the scientific method provide evidence?
if so, why?



Do you have empirical evidence, or do you not have empirical evidence?

I think you'd agree that I have been very willing to answer your questions, but you don't seem willing to respond with anything other than more questions. Is there any substance here, or do you just have lots of questions?

You've staked some claims: can you support those claims or not?
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