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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#61  Postby Rhubis » Jun 29, 2012 11:33 am

Spearthrower wrote:It cuts out electrical equipment at 200 metres, but it's only 87 metres down?

They got some 'splaining to do! ;)


No see it makes perfect sense if you imagine a sphere around the object, this means that electrical equipment on the surface stops. So the boats electrical equipment must have failed as it was getting close to the object buts that's fine because everyone knows that boats with engines don't have any important electrical components. They knew exactly where they were because of their keen nautical skills and not because of gps or anything since that would stop and then they got their equipment together (taking the only torch and camera that worked) to go down and take a single picture.

See that makes perfect sense! It stops ALL electrical equipment even on the surface! they totally didn't make the story up for publicity!
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#62  Postby Zwaarddijk » Jun 29, 2012 11:42 am

Figuring out where the center of such a cutoff is to some level of accuracy isn't that hard, though, and since water generally moves, you'll sooner or later get outside of that sphere. Of course, I do think there's bullshit here, but that claim doesn't necessarily fall on such apparent problems with their claims.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#63  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 11:47 am

Zwaarddijk wrote:Figuring out where the center of such a cutoff is to some level of accuracy isn't that hard, though, and since water generally moves, you'll sooner or later get outside of that sphere. Of course, I do think there's bullshit here, but that claim doesn't necessarily fall on such apparent problems with their claims.


If you think about it, as Rhubis said: the boat sitting above it would have had electrical failures if the electrical dampening was 200 metres as claimed by the divers.

There may be a more innocuous explanation, but it's certainly worth keeping tabs on such blatant inconsistencies when extraordinary claims are being made.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#64  Postby Rhubis » Jun 29, 2012 11:55 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:Figuring out where the center of such a cutoff is to some level of accuracy isn't that hard, though, and since water generally moves, you'll sooner or later get outside of that sphere. Of course, I do think there's bullshit here, but that claim doesn't necessarily fall on such apparent problems with their claims.


If you think about it, as Rhubis said: the boat sitting above it would have had electrical failures if the electrical dampening was 200 metres as claimed by the divers.

There may be a more innocuous explanation, but it's certainly worth keeping tabs on such blatant inconsistencies when extraordinary claims are being made.


If you consider that its an 87 meter dive and as mentioned so far this isn't the simplest of dives... How many people would go for this kind of dive when their electrical equipment wasn't working? Or was the radio and cell phones also immune to this effect so they weren't stranded out in a boat with no way to call for help if anything went wrong... Come to think of it did they sit out there and map out this ring of electrical equipment failures to get the 200 meter figure?

To top it all off they said that electrical equipment stops working and on the same report they have a guy with a submarine to take tourists down, someone please tell me why these electrical failures only effect one out of every ten pieces of equipment?
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#65  Postby Zwaarddijk » Jun 29, 2012 12:23 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:Figuring out where the center of such a cutoff is to some level of accuracy isn't that hard, though, and since water generally moves, you'll sooner or later get outside of that sphere. Of course, I do think there's bullshit here, but that claim doesn't necessarily fall on such apparent problems with their claims.


If you think about it, as Rhubis said: the boat sitting above it would have had electrical failures if the electrical dampening was 200 metres as claimed by the divers.

There may be a more innocuous explanation, but it's certainly worth keeping tabs on such blatant inconsistencies when extraordinary claims are being made.

In the text, they claim the boat had electrical failures. Trying to find the coordinates of that area is simple: approach it from three directions, record the last bearings you get before failure, then triangulate.

However, yeah, it's still quite questionable. I guess the problem is when he says "anything electrical ... stopped working", I take this at face value - e.g. he may be lying, but I assume his lie would actually be what he's saying and not him being stupid about what things are electrical.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#66  Postby Rhubis » Jun 29, 2012 12:47 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:Figuring out where the center of such a cutoff is to some level of accuracy isn't that hard, though, and since water generally moves, you'll sooner or later get outside of that sphere. Of course, I do think there's bullshit here, but that claim doesn't necessarily fall on such apparent problems with their claims.


If you think about it, as Rhubis said: the boat sitting above it would have had electrical failures if the electrical dampening was 200 metres as claimed by the divers.

There may be a more innocuous explanation, but it's certainly worth keeping tabs on such blatant inconsistencies when extraordinary claims are being made.

In the text, they claim the boat had electrical failures. Trying to find the coordinates of that area is simple: approach it from three directions, record the last bearings you get before failure, then triangulate.

However, yeah, it's still quite questionable. I guess the problem is when he says "anything electrical ... stopped working", I take this at face value - e.g. he may be lying, but I assume his lie would actually be what he's saying and not him being stupid about what things are electrical.


Yeah he could be telling the truth about all electrical equipment stopping but since he managed to get a few lit picture of the 'UFO' I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say he's making shit up.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#67  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 12:53 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:
In the text, they claim the boat had electrical failures.


Did they? Sorry, I must have missed that - I only read about cameras and telephones.


Zwaarddijk wrote:However, yeah, it's still quite questionable. I guess the problem is when he says "anything electrical ... stopped working", I take this at face value - e.g. he may be lying, but I assume his lie would actually be what he's saying and not him being stupid about what things are electrical.


If it was 'anything' electrical, it would be falsifiable. What I read was 'some things' stopped working.

Considering they want to take rich passengers down in a submarine that uses electricity.... I can't help but call this highly suspect.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#68  Postby Zwaarddijk » Jun 29, 2012 12:55 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Zwaarddijk wrote:
In the text, they claim the boat had electrical failures.


Did they? Sorry, I must have missed that - I only read about cameras and telephones.

Well, they speak about electrical failures on the surface at least. However, it's ... badly written. I wonder if the reporters are reporting relatively unedited what these guys are saying, and the guys just suck at English? It's not unusual for Swedes to think they're better at English than they are.

I've kind of developed a mental filter that tries to make sense of anything odd in English that has a Swede behind it - it's not uncommon in my experience that the exact meaning of some Swedes' attempts at English is first possible when reconstruction the underlying Swedish and retranslating it. I do that kind of subconsciously these days.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#69  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 12:57 pm

I was trying to edit my post, but my internet's slow tonight. I was also going to mention the fact that if there were genuinely electronic failures in proximity to this object, it would be a nautical hazard and relevant authorities would need to be informed.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#70  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Hmmm my memory is clearly failing... I am going to keep playing the jetlag card to evade responsibility! :D

It actually says in the previously cited article:

He is quoted as saying: 'Anything electric out there - and the satellite phone as well - stopped working when we were above the object.

'And then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again, and when we got back over the object it didn’t work.'


ANYTHING electrical? It's a serious fucking hazard. They would be obliged to report this, and it would be eminently falsifiable.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#71  Postby Rhubis » Jun 29, 2012 1:10 pm

Just a quick question but would you go diving if the satellite phone on the boat stopped working? It seems to me that is a bit dangerous. I have no idea if they had cell phones that worked but it seems to me that when your contact with the mainland fails you don't then go on a dive. Granted that my knowledge of diving is limited to a couple of movies that also included sea monsters.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#72  Postby babel » Jun 29, 2012 1:16 pm

Rhubis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:It cuts out electrical equipment at 200 metres, but it's only 87 metres down?

They got some 'splaining to do! ;)


No see it makes perfect sense if you imagine a sphere around the object, this means that electrical equipment on the surface stops. So the boats electrical equipment must have failed as it was getting close to the object buts that's fine because everyone knows that boats with engines don't have any important electrical components. They knew exactly where they were because of their keen nautical skills and not because of gps or anything since that would stop and then they got their equipment together (taking the only torch and camera that worked) to go down and take a single picture.

See that makes perfect sense! It stops ALL electrical equipment even on the surface! they totally didn't make the story up for publicity!

Easy to find. Just approach the general area and boat around until everything electrical dies on you. Ta-daa, you have reached your destination.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#73  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 1:22 pm

Rhubis wrote:Just a quick question but would you go diving if the satellite phone on the boat stopped working? It seems to me that is a bit dangerous. I have no idea if they had cell phones that worked but it seems to me that when your contact with the mainland fails you don't then go on a dive. Granted that my knowledge of diving is limited to a couple of movies that also included sea monsters.



I've never been diving with a GPS or contact with the mainland, so I can't see why it would be of particular relevance.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#74  Postby Rhubis » Jun 29, 2012 1:55 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Rhubis wrote:Just a quick question but would you go diving if the satellite phone on the boat stopped working? It seems to me that is a bit dangerous. I have no idea if they had cell phones that worked but it seems to me that when your contact with the mainland fails you don't then go on a dive. Granted that my knowledge of diving is limited to a couple of movies that also included sea monsters.



I've never been diving with a GPS or contact with the mainland, so I can't see why it would be of particular relevance.


Ah right, just thought it would be a bad idea to go diving in the middle of the Baltic when various equipment is failing and you can't contact the emergency services. The more i read about this the more it seems that the papers over reported the electrical failures as something amazing when it was really just a few things stopped working for a while. But not apparently the boat itself or the sonar or the remote operated vehicles so its very selective failures.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#75  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 29, 2012 1:59 pm

Hmm it does seem to have selectively dampened only picture taking devices! :D
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#76  Postby Ironclad » Jun 29, 2012 4:00 pm

Ironclad wrote:Am I the only one who's noticed that the 'UFO' is exactly the same shape as the Millennium Falcon? Exactly.


You know, sometimes I think this very forum is a source of information for the press. I swear I have seen articles springing up with 'copies' of our musings from the last year or two.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#77  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jun 29, 2012 4:14 pm

The sea floor is a dumping ground. Why is anyone surprised to find objects down there?

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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#78  Postby Sovereign » Jun 29, 2012 4:24 pm

My gut instinct is that if it were anything close to what thee guys are saying, the U.S. navy would have quarantined the place yesterday. I should have had my filter on more though. It was kinda off when I saw it posted on the Discovery Chanel news site. Not off enough for me not to post it in this thread in pseudoscience though :D.
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