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Unidentified Sunken Object

#1  Postby tnjrp » Aug 02, 2011 8:19 am

Missed this bit of world-shattering news while I was on vacation a while back...
Swedish sea treasure hunters have found something extraordinary: an 18m disc sunk in the bottom of the ocean, with what appears to be 300m long impact tracks leading to it. [...] Peter Lindberg, commander of the Ocean Explorer [...] and his team found the strange disc on June 19, 2011, at 87m below the surface of the Botnia Gulf, which is located somewhere between Finland and Sweden in the Baltic

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Here's the Gizmodo article (dated yesterday) I picked this (and the above quote) up from:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/08/is-th ... the-ocean/

So NilsGLindgren and Varangian... You boys up for some deep sea diving? :mrgreen:
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#2  Postby zulumoose » Aug 02, 2011 8:32 am

I was skeptical at first, but once I saw the video, with actual still photo footage of random people standing on a boat....
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#3  Postby BlackBart » Aug 02, 2011 8:36 am

Has it shown up on more than one scan?
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#4  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 02, 2011 8:37 am

As it's only 87 metres down, I am not sure quite what the 'don't want to spend money on it' line of reasoning really entails. A couple of suited divers, oxygen (well, mixed-gas) tanks, a guide line.... what am I missing?
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#5  Postby zulumoose » Aug 02, 2011 8:46 am

Spearthrower wrote:As it's only 87 metres down, I am not sure quite what the 'don't want to spend money on it' line of reasoning really entails. A couple of suited divers, oxygen (well, mixed-gas) tanks, a guide line.... what am I missing?


87m is far from your standard scuba dive. It involves very specialised kit and people. Who is likely to pay for that, from funds dedicated to what purpose? It could just be part of a sunken boat, or a war relic.
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#6  Postby tnjrp » Aug 02, 2011 8:58 am

Given it's in the Baltic the visibility at 87 meters is going to be quite a problem as well. Possibly Lindberg just isn't convinced about this find being actually something non-mundane and thus doesn't want to divert resources from seeking out more easily accessible and more likely lucrative wrecked human ships.

As for independent confirmations on the find, I'm not entirely sure if there are any. I'm not even sure if Lindberg has published the exact coordinates where the supposed UFO lies, tho he may do so on the video (can't get sound so didn't watch it very keenly) or on his site (presumably he has one). There certainly doesn't seem to be any mention of the exact location in any of the articles I've read so far. Here's one from SPACE.com BTW:
http://news.yahoo.com/ufo-found-ocean-f ... 02862.html
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#7  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 02, 2011 9:06 am

zulumoose wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:As it's only 87 metres down, I am not sure quite what the 'don't want to spend money on it' line of reasoning really entails. A couple of suited divers, oxygen (well, mixed-gas) tanks, a guide line.... what am I missing?


87m is far from your standard scuba dive. It involves very specialised kit and people. Who is likely to pay for that, from funds dedicated to what purpose? It could just be part of a sunken boat, or a war relic.



It's a technical dive... and anyone who is a qualified technical diver is either a) going to have the kit or b) will know where to get the kit. It's not expensive to hire for a day. Funds from one's pocket. People dive for fun every day.
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Re: Unidentified Sunken Object

#8  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 02, 2011 9:08 am

tnjrp wrote:Given it's in the Baltic the visibility at 87 meters is going to be quite a problem as well. Possibly Lindberg just isn't convinced about this find being actually something non-mundane and thus doesn't want to divert resources from seeking out more easily accessible and more likely lucrative wrecked human ships.


Aye, it would need some lighting, but I think the likelihood is that if Lindberg really thought it was something non-mundane, he'd have kept quiet about it, gone back and got a small, cheap project together and would have reported his findings and earned consequent fame, riches, grants etc.
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#9  Postby hoopy frood » Aug 02, 2011 9:14 am

zulumoose wrote:I was skeptical at first, but once I saw the video, with actual still photo footage of random people standing on a boat....


:lol:


Still, if it turns out to be another stonehenge under the sea that will certainly lend some credence to the hypothesis of an aquatic past in human evolution. :dopey:


Let's just hope John Wyndham's fantastic piece of SF imagination isn't also about to qualify as prophecy.

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#10  Postby CookieJon » Aug 02, 2011 9:15 am

zulumoose wrote:87m is far from your standard scuba dive. It involves very specialised kit and people. Who is likely to pay for that..?


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#11  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 02, 2011 9:26 am

It's been a while since I last went diving, but I would hazard a guess that equipment for 2 people would be around $500 dollars for one day - as the location is precisely known, it would require simply going straight down, taking pictures, then some time depressurising on the way back up. I would bet that you could easily find qualified technical divers who would leap to volunteer for this for nothing more than a packed lunch.
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#12  Postby tnjrp » Aug 02, 2011 9:38 am

Spearthrower wrote:I think the likelihood is that if Lindberg really thought it was something non-mundane, he'd have kept quiet about it, gone back and got a small, cheap project together and would have reported his findings and earned consequent fame, riches, grants etc.
Well, we definitely can't discount the possibility he went public (but apparently not completely ref: coordinates) with it 'cuz he wants some UFO buff to pay him wads of cash for a diving operation that prolly won't come up with anything much.
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#13  Postby zulumoose » Aug 02, 2011 9:58 am

Spearthrower wrote:It's been a while since I last went diving, but I would hazard a guess that equipment for 2 people would be around $500 dollars for one day - as the location is precisely known, it would require simply going straight down, taking pictures, then some time depressurising on the way back up. I would bet that you could easily find qualified technical divers who would leap to volunteer for this for nothing more than a packed lunch.


Wow, it seems deep diving is far ahead of where I believed it was. Your quick comment had me thinking you knew nothing at all about diving, which is why I responded. I know there are plenty of people out there who think diving to 100m is something you might just need to take a spare bottle for, since common divers watches come with 100m or more ratings so how difficult could it be.

$500 for specialised kit for two divers in a high risk activity seems unbelievably cheap.
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#14  Postby Varangian » Aug 02, 2011 10:56 am

"Impact tracks"? What's the chance for that? It isn't like a UFO came hurtling down, passed the surface without flipping, travelled at an angle through a few hundred meters of water, hit the bottom and skidded to a halt after 300 meters.
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#15  Postby tnjrp » Aug 02, 2011 11:02 am

I have it from wooheads respectable UFOlogists that UFOs can in fact move underwater so it must've crashed while diving. To suggest anything else is but a strawman attempt to slur the good repuration of the science of UFOlogy :naughty:
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#16  Postby zulumoose » Aug 02, 2011 11:07 am

It was parking off underwater, then the Kraken attacked. The 300m tracks are from the recoil of the primary weapon firing. Unfortunately they forgot to engage the Zero-G acceleration nullifier as their main engines were not engaged, so the G forces of the recoil killed them and is the reason the ship is still there.
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#17  Postby babel » Aug 02, 2011 11:43 am

God was just trying to make some rocks skip across the baltic. :dunno:
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#18  Postby tnjrp » Aug 02, 2011 12:01 pm

In Finnish mythology, giants often dropped stones in water when they jumped over or waded accross (there is one sticking out of the sea near Turku for example). Maybe this is a giant's grinding wheel whetstone instead of a UFO :shifty:
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#19  Postby Bribase » Aug 02, 2011 12:09 pm

CookieJon wrote:
zulumoose wrote:87m is far from your standard scuba dive. It involves very specialised kit and people. Who is likely to pay for that..?


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#20  Postby Spearthrower » Aug 02, 2011 1:38 pm

zulumoose wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:It's been a while since I last went diving, but I would hazard a guess that equipment for 2 people would be around $500 dollars for one day - as the location is precisely known, it would require simply going straight down, taking pictures, then some time depressurising on the way back up. I would bet that you could easily find qualified technical divers who would leap to volunteer for this for nothing more than a packed lunch.


Wow, it seems deep diving is far ahead of where I believed it was. Your quick comment had me thinking you knew nothing at all about diving, which is why I responded. I know there are plenty of people out there who think diving to 100m is something you might just need to take a spare bottle for, since common divers watches come with 100m or more ratings so how difficult could it be.

$500 for specialised kit for two divers in a high risk activity seems unbelievably cheap.


87 metres isn't particularly deep (although considered deep diving), and for a qualified technical diver it's routine. I believe the recommended maximum depth for qualified technical divers is 100m. To be honest, I've never dived deeper than 50 metres, so I am not claiming any great expertise in the matter... but it's open water, which is a damn sight safer than diving into caves or wrecks at 30 metres.

The kit's not necessarily specialised either. The only special thing you'd need is trimix or heliox as compressed air starts becoming potentially toxic at around 70 metres iirc although the record depth for compressed air is around 150 metres. Beyond that, you could do it in a normal dry suit and standard scuba gear. It's not until you get past 400 metres or so that you need the diving shells - atmospheric diving suits.
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