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Fila wrote:
I'm open to suggestions that credible / reputable UFO witnesses are merely experiencing some mental effect
Fila wrote:Rather than dismissing the claims.., my intention is to look into them. I feel citizens deserve to be treated with respect.., and at least some kind of investigation should take place out of decency.
surreptitious57 wrote:What scientists agree on is not actually scientific unless there is some evidence for it else it is nothing more than assumption
First person subjective experience is not scientific and nor is an interpretation of what someone thinks they might have seen
Before establishing that something is alien all the other more plausible explanations must be examined first [ Occams razor ]
A UFO is Unidentified which means that it is not known what it is however one must still use Occams razor as a first principle
Any evidence which can be subject to the rigour of the scientific method would be acceptable regardless of what it might be
surreptitious57 wrote:Any evidence which can be subject to the rigour of the scientific method would be acceptable regardless of what it might be
Cito di Pense wrote:No, you're not, really. I think what you're demanding is proof that something doesn't exist. This is a very tired rhyme.
Cito di Pense wrote:It's not disrespectful to dismiss claims that are not supported by evidence. It is even less disrespectful to dismiss extraordinary claims that are not supported by extraordinary evidence. Decency does not figure into whether a conjecture is a serious one.
Scot Dutchy wrote:They make the claims they provide the evidence.
Alan B wrote:Science believes that life exists elsewhere in the Universe. It is a logical assumption (or maybe just 'wishful thinking') that 'we' are not alone in the vastness of space. As yet, there is no evidence that this is so. Since there is no evidence, one cannot attach fanciful descriptions - e.g. 'paranormal' - to its properties.
That does not stop science searching for its existence, whether it be a single celled animal (in our planetary system) or something more advanced in the beyond.
Hermit wrote:I''m not convinced from witness testimony
Thommo wrote:I didn't know aliens were considered paranormal. I'm not at all sure most scientists would agree that there is intelligent life elsewhere in our universe, and certainly not that has the capability to travel to Earth.
Thommo wrote:Science itself has almost nothing to say on where life can be found, since it's rooted in empiricism and our information about planets is staggeringly limited.
Thommo wrote:As for what credible/reputable witnesses have to say, I'm not sure there are any, so it's extremely hard to discuss.
scott1328 wrote:I would settle for someone actually producing an Alien for investigation.
Fila wrote:Thommo wrote:I didn't know aliens were considered paranormal. I'm not at all sure most scientists would agree that there is intelligent life elsewhere in our universe, and certainly not that has the capability to travel to Earth.
Great post. Got me thinking.
Its interesting. Aliens aren't paranormal.., but if they traverse space and visit other planets.., then that's paranormal.
So.., its starting to get narrowed down to "space travel" being "abnormal".
So based on our current understanding of traversing space.., we 100% conclusively know for a fact that no other intelligence could ever reach us.., ever. Case closed.
Do you think this is accurate?Thommo wrote:Science itself has almost nothing to say on where life can be found, since it's rooted in empiricism and our information about planets is staggeringly limited.
Interesting. But us scientifically minded people will dismiss UFOs based on the scientific and requirements. Citizens also dismiss UFOs based on a lack of evidence.
However the evidence paradox clearly shows the limitations in evidence types civilian witnesses can provide (images, written report). Yet this is used to dismiss claims. Like a catch 22.Thommo wrote:As for what credible/reputable witnesses have to say, I'm not sure there are any, so it's extremely hard to discuss.
This is a VERY interesting topic.
What would a reputable witness be.., for any other event or topic yet to be confirmed scientifically?
What makes them reputable or credible in this scenario?
What is the difference when they talk about a UFO?
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