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A philosophy of music

#1  Postby jamest » Jun 14, 2019 12:36 am

I've just been listening to the Chordettes greatest hits on youtube*. That wasn't my plan for tonight, it just somehow happened. I'm glad it did. Lifted my mood. Simple unpretentious music from the 50s, loved it for the most part, I'm not ashamed to say. The first half especially.

So, I thought I'd expose and challenge you all to the pretentiousness of your own musical choices. Muhaha.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRdHOC2W2s

There's a serious discussion to be had here somewhere, I'm sure. Perhaps if I mention God...
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Re: A philosophy of music

#2  Postby jamest » Jun 14, 2019 1:00 am

...Kinda explains to me why I don't usually like contemporary art and why many people do.

You shouldn't have to think about art. Thinking is philosophy/reason/mathematics... etc..

Certainly, art SHOULD transcend one's time/culture/politics, otherwise it's just the politics and culture of one's time that you like about the art in question. Stop fucking abusing art, is my starting point, I guess.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#3  Postby laklak » Jun 14, 2019 1:58 am

It's all maffs, innit? Golden ratios and Fibonacci. Well, civilized music in any case. Never mind that pentatonic nonsense. Also forget that A#, it's a B flat, damnit.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#4  Postby Hermit » Jun 14, 2019 2:54 am

A philosophy of music? Can you get a bit more pretentious, please?

No music moves me like J.S. Bach's. Pythagoras is credited with formulating the mathematical foundations of harmonic intervals. Bach melded music and mathematics like no other.

Some cranky man named Fritz gave Bach a theme about eight bars in length and ordered him to do stuff with it. Because Fritz was a very important person, and Bach hoped to land a job with him, he did rather a lot with that theme, wrote it all down and sent him the score as a Musical Offering. Bach never got the hoped for job out of it and died three years later. We still have his music, though, thank fuck.

Someone with a Youtube channel keeps publishing scrolling scores of Bach's works in an interesting way. He animates them such that it becomes graphically obvious how Bach transposes, inverts, reverts and otherwise plays around with melodies. Here is one of them, the Musical Offering mentioned above. Things get lively from about the 8:50 mark.

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Re: A philosophy of music

#5  Postby tuco » Jun 14, 2019 4:53 am

jamest wrote:...Kinda explains to me why I don't usually like contemporary art and why many people do.

You shouldn't have to think about art. Thinking is philosophy/reason/mathematics... etc..

Certainly, art SHOULD transcend one's time/culture/politics, otherwise it's just the politics and culture of one's time that you like about the art in question. Stop fucking abusing art, is my starting point, I guess.


One function of music, like any other art, is to express our individuality, respectively identification of oneself with a kind of music does. Such identification becomes useful in social interactions, allowing us to belong to a group with social status, which I would think of as being an inherent need of humans as social beings. In this sense, and in the context of the quoted post, music is like a football (club). It can transcend yet at the same time it sets sharp boundaries. Well, not music itself as its not a psychological agent but our appreciation of it.

Personally, I do not "think" about music, and art, either I like it or not and that is enough for me. However, what I appreciate in music are emotions and since emotions are very personal but also time and place dependent, it can cause problems or confusion when it comes to belonging to a group with a status. So while Beethoven (high) is my favorite composer (music) because he's the master of emotions in my opinion, I would listen to Taylor Swift (low or mediocre at best) at times.

PS I have not thought this through much to be honest and I just woke up so take it easy :)
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Re: A philosophy of music

#6  Postby LucidFlight » Jun 14, 2019 6:25 am

Last night, I dreamt that I heard a French woman singing Careless Whispers, backed by 80s minimal wave percussion and warm synth pads in an ascending major chord progression. It was slightly off, but it was hauntingly captivating.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#7  Postby Spearthrower » Jun 14, 2019 7:21 am

One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#8  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 14, 2019 9:13 am

jamest wrote:
There's a serious discussion to be had here somewhere, I'm sure.


And it appears in the comment threads of youtube music videos, and at its best, that is as fucking good as this shit gets.

jamest wrote:Certainly, art SHOULD transcend one's time/culture/politics


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Re: A philosophy of music

#9  Postby Blackadder » Jun 14, 2019 5:38 pm

Dunno much about the philosophy of music but I do know about the music of philosophy. It was written by The Eagles and it goes like this:

“You can check out any time you like; but you can never leave.”

It’s deep.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#10  Postby Animavore » Jun 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Don't tell me about that song. I currently have finger blisters trying to nail the solo. Can't play guitar for a coupke of days now.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#11  Postby felltoearth » Jun 14, 2019 6:19 pm

Spearthrower wrote:One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.

Clearly you have never been to a Pansonic concert.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#12  Postby Fallible » Jun 14, 2019 7:03 pm

I attempted Hotel California upon the ukulele once. I was unsuccessful.
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#13  Postby felltoearth » Jun 14, 2019 7:09 pm

Fallible wrote:I attempted Hotel California upon the ukulele once. I was unsuccessful.

Damn you, you made me look it up.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#14  Postby Fallible » Jun 14, 2019 7:14 pm

:waah:
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#15  Postby Animavore » Jun 14, 2019 9:08 pm

Pah! She didn't do the solo.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#16  Postby Blackadder » Jun 14, 2019 9:18 pm

Animavore wrote:Pah! She didn't do the solo.


Maybe so, but I’d still let her whip my naked buttocks with sticks of rhubarb while I kissed her feet. Is that wrong?
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#17  Postby Fallible » Jun 14, 2019 10:27 pm

:shock:
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Re: A philosophy of music

#18  Postby scott1328 » Jun 14, 2019 11:03 pm

LucidFlight wrote:Last night, I dreamt that I heard a French woman singing Careless Whispers, backed by 80s minimal wave percussion and warm synth pads in an ascending major chord progression. It was slightly off, but it was hauntingly captivating.

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Re: A philosophy of music

#19  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jun 15, 2019 2:28 am

jamest wrote:Certainly, art SHOULD transcend one's time/culture/politics, otherwise it's just the politics and culture of one's time that you like about the art in question. Stop fucking abusing art, is my starting point, I guess.

Should it? What if this sort of transcending is just an expression of a certain white straight cis male perspective that sees every other perspective but its own as "politicised" and then codes arts norms with its identity as just another method of the dominance of that identity?

Anyway, I think you'd enjoy this.
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Re: A philosophy of music

#20  Postby Fenrir » Jun 15, 2019 2:51 am

C'mon feel the noise!
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