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Re: Antinatalism

#821  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:27 pm

Fallible wrote:I mean really?? You're really trying this? 'Children should be seen and not heard' is a well-known saying equated with old fashioned, austere and strict ideas of 'parenting'. Seeing as you used this idiom in your first post, it's not really that hard to deduce that that's the outlook you subscribe to.


Where is the insult? Who are you to condemn out of hand me as a parent? Have you met my daughter?
I like you and many others who make so many presumptions. Children being seen and not heard is not part of an austere method of parenting. Allowing children shouting off their heads all the time is also not the way to bring up kids.
Your deduction is once again away off line.
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#822  Postby Sendraks » Jan 11, 2016 1:29 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Who are you to judge what is good parenting?


I'm a human being raised by other human beings. I am able to compare my experiences of being raised with the experiences of others and make judgements vis which parenting approaches I consider to be superior to others.

Scot Dutchy wrote: I was not the one who brought up the victorian method as the only alternative to the Yummy Mummy method. .

No. It was you.

Are you now conceding that there are other approaches to parenting outside the Victorian method and the yummy mummy method and that NO ONE HERE is advocating the yummy mummy method? Because if you are, we can make progress in this discussion.
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#823  Postby Andrew4Handel » Jan 11, 2016 1:29 pm

I definitely psychologically struggle with my own parents motivation for having children which I feel like reiterating here now.

1) My mum knew my Dad had problems communicating with children before she married but went on to have six children with him

2) They believed in hell and damnation and that there children would be born corrupt sinners before they had them.

3) They weren't affectionate or positive

4) They were completely dictatorial and ignored anyone but their owns preferences.

5) They made us go to church several times a week without any choice and expected us to think act and believe exactly like them

They were allowed to do this based on the automatic right to have children.
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#824  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:29 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sendraks wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote: Anything outside the yummy mummy world is victorian tyrant school.


Is it now? Is it really?
You'll note that you are the only person here who thinks this.

Scot Dutchy wrote: There is more ways in bringing up children besides the yummy mummy method.

Yes there are.
They are what we consider to be "good parenting."

No one here considers the "yummy mummy" method the "Victorian parent" method, to be examples of good parenting. They are both shit.


Who are you to judge what is good parenting? Have you met my children well meeting my son would be impossible? I was not the one who brought up the victorian method as the only alternative to the Yummy Mummy method. It was typical Fallible.


This is a simple lie. Retract it. You've already received a warning for quote mining me, you should be a bit more careful than this if you're at all concerned about being allowed to post here. You get one chance.

Now - evidence that anyone disagreeing with you here is a yummy mummy. Got any?
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Re: Antinatalism

#825  Postby Sendraks » Jan 11, 2016 1:31 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Where is the insult?


Accusing others of advocating the "yummy mummy" method is the insult. It is also a lie.

Scot Dutchy wrote:Who are you to condemn out of hand me as a parent?

This has already been explained. Repeatedly. Do try to pay attention.

Scot Dutchy wrote: Children being seen and not heard is not part of an austere method of parenting.

Yes. Yes it is.

Scot Dutchy wrote: Allowing children shouting off their heads all the time is also not the way to bring up kids.

And no one is advocating for that either.

You realise that there are more approaches than "seen and not heard" and "children shouting their heads off all the time" don't you? You can't be so massively ignorant about parenting to realise that this black and white view is in no way correct.
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#826  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:37 pm

Sendraks wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Who are you to judge what is good parenting?


I'm a human being raised by other human beings. I am able to compare my experiences of being raised with the experiences of others and make judgements vis which parenting approaches I consider to be superior to others.

Scot Dutchy wrote: I was not the one who brought up the victorian method as the only alternative to the Yummy Mummy method. .

No. It was you.

Are you now conceding that there are other approaches to parenting outside the Victorian method and the yummy mummy method and that NO ONE HERE is advocating the yummy mummy method? Because if you are, we can make progress in this discussion.


FFS who is talking about victorian methods. Children being seen and not heard is the way I think children should behave. How it is achieved does not have to be by any method. The thing here is somehow in the minds of certain individuals this immediately deduced as the victorian method. This happens often here by people who live in a very little world. Say anything to them that collides with that little world and bingo and they are on their high horses.
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#827  Postby Cito di Pense » Jan 11, 2016 1:40 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
I like you and many others who make so many presumptions.


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#828  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:41 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Fallible wrote:I mean really?? You're really trying this? 'Children should be seen and not heard' is a well-known saying equated with old fashioned, austere and strict ideas of 'parenting'. Seeing as you used this idiom in your first post, it's not really that hard to deduce that that's the outlook you subscribe to.


Where is the insult? Who are you to condemn out of hand me as a parent?


This is becoming tedious. I am a member of the forum, with an opinion, and the right to comment on information freely shared by another member. I haven't condemned you as a parent out of hand. I said I find your behaviour disgusting. Which I do. If you don't like reading people's opinions of information freely given by you, perhaps you should refrain from giving it in the first place.

Have you met my daughter?


Are you trying for 'you don't know her so you can't judge'? Because that's stupid. I don't need to see the outcome to know that I find your behaviour, divulged freely by yourself, disgraceful. Even if she was the best adjusted woman on the planet, you'd have some work to do to show that that's not in spite of the upbringing she received, but because of it. But since you mention it, and as you also freely divulged this too on this forum, you don't keep in touch with her yourself, and you aren't really bothered by that. That also disgusts me, although when you first shared it, I kept my views to myself. Now that I see you bringing her up again though, apparently as some kind of endorsement of your parenting, I will comment.

I like you and many others who make so many presumptions.


Well that's very nice of you, but I'm fairly sure that's not what you intended to say.

Children being seen and not heard is not part of an austere method of parenting.


Yes it is.

Allowing children shouting off their heads all the time is also not the way to bring up kids.


That's right. So what? No one here said it is. You're once again misrepresenting people and from what I can tell, sincerely believing that no one realises. They do.

Your deduction is once again away off line.


No it isn't. You're flailing.
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#829  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:41 pm

Sendraks wrote:
You realise that there are more approaches than "seen and not heard" and "children shouting their heads off all the time" don't you? You can't be so massively ignorant about parenting to realise that this black and white view is in no way correct.


Who is seeing this as black and white? The people who only see children being seen and not heard as the victorian method.
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#830  Postby Sendraks » Jan 11, 2016 1:42 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote: Children being seen and not heard is the way I think children should behave.


Yes, we gathered that.
You'll note that we've expressed the view that we do not think this attitude is one that is consistent with good parenting.

Scot Dutchy wrote:The thing here is somehow in the minds of certain individuals this immediately deduced as the victorian method.

Because it is a view that comes directly from Victorian attitudes towards parenting, that is why.

Scot Dutchy wrote:This happens often here by people who live in a very little world. Say anything to them that collides with that little world and bingo and they are on their high horses.


Well given that people here are arguing about parenting approaches vastly broader in scope and application than you are, clearly there world view is decidedly less little than yours.

Indeed it is very telling that you live in a "very little world" given that you automatically discounted any disagreement with your approach to parenting as being the "yummy mummy method." Exactly how tiny is your world view on this subject?
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Re: Antinatalism

#831  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:43 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sendraks wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Who are you to judge what is good parenting?


I'm a human being raised by other human beings. I am able to compare my experiences of being raised with the experiences of others and make judgements vis which parenting approaches I consider to be superior to others.

Scot Dutchy wrote: I was not the one who brought up the victorian method as the only alternative to the Yummy Mummy method. .

No. It was you.

Are you now conceding that there are other approaches to parenting outside the Victorian method and the yummy mummy method and that NO ONE HERE is advocating the yummy mummy method? Because if you are, we can make progress in this discussion.


FFS who is talking about victorian methods. Children being seen and not heard is the way I think children should behave. How it is achieved does not have to be by any method. The thing here is somehow in the minds of certain individuals this immediately deduced as the victorian method. This happens often here by people who live in a very little world. Say anything to them that collides with that little world and bingo and they are on their high horses.


Delicious. :lol:
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Re: Antinatalism

#832  Postby THWOTH » Jan 11, 2016 1:45 pm

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#833  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:45 pm

Fallible wrote:Are you trying for 'you don't know her so you can't judge'? Because that's stupid. I don't need to see the outcome to know that I find your behaviour, divulged freely by yourself, disgraceful. Even if she was the best adjusted woman on the planet, you'd have some work to do to show that that's not in spite of the upbringing she received, but because of it. But since you mention it, and as you also freely divulged this too on this forum, you don't keep in touch with her yourself, and you aren't really bothered by that. That also disgusts me, although when you first shared it, I kept my views to myself. Now that I see you bringing her up again though, apparently as some kind of endorsement of your parenting, I will comment.


What presumptuous arse water.
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#834  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:46 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Sendraks wrote:
You realise that there are more approaches than "seen and not heard" and "children shouting their heads off all the time" don't you? You can't be so massively ignorant about parenting to realise that this black and white view is in no way correct.


Who is seeing this as black and white? The people who only see children being seen and not heard as the victorian method.


Evidence of anyone here being 'yummy mummy', Scot. Provide it.
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#835  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:47 pm

THWOTH wrote::yawn:


Entirely agree with you.

It really is a load of shite but that is the membership for you.
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#836  Postby Sendraks » Jan 11, 2016 1:47 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Who is seeing this as black and white?

You are by referring to anyone disagreeing with you as advocating the "yummy mummy" method of parenting, despite the fact that they are clearly NOT advocating any such approach.

Scot Dutchy wrote:The people who only see children being seen and not heard as the victorian method.

The phrase "seen and not heard" is commonly associated with Victorian attitudes to parenting.

Children should be able to express themselves within the confines of what is acceptable behaviour. The same is true for adults. You do not teach a child to behave like an adult by remaining silent in the presence of adults.
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#837  Postby Sendraks » Jan 11, 2016 1:48 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:It really is a load of shite but that is the membership for you.


More trite childish commentary from Scot.

Everyone is shite, but Scot.
Everyone is wrong, but Scot.
Scot is always right.
Scot is never wrong.

That basically summarises what underlies 90% of the content you spew onto these forums,.
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#838  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:50 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Fallible wrote:Are you trying for 'you don't know her so you can't judge'? Because that's stupid. I don't need to see the outcome to know that I find your behaviour, divulged freely by yourself, disgraceful. Even if she was the best adjusted woman on the planet, you'd have some work to do to show that that's not in spite of the upbringing she received, but because of it. But since you mention it, and as you also freely divulged this too on this forum, you don't keep in touch with her yourself, and you aren't really bothered by that. That also disgusts me, although when you first shared it, I kept my views to myself. Now that I see you bringing her up again though, apparently as some kind of endorsement of your parenting, I will comment.


What presumptuous arse water.


Nope, it's all information freely given by you, and my opinion of said information. You said that you are not into children, and that they should be seen and not heard, and you've also said that you nevertheless have two children (who weren't your idea), one of whom you don't see, and which state of affairs is OK by you. As I said, you're flailing.

Now - provide evidence that anyone here who disagrees with you is a yummy mummy, and also retract the lie that in my view there was only the Voctorian or yummy mummy method of child rearing.
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#839  Postby Fallible » Jan 11, 2016 1:50 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
THWOTH wrote::yawn:


Entirely agree with you.

It really is a load of shite but that is the membership for you.


The membership is a load of shite. I see.
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#840  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 1:51 pm

Fallible wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
THWOTH wrote::yawn:


Entirely agree with you.

It really is a load of shite but that is the membership for you.


The membership is a load of shit. I see.


Who saying that? Oh you are. Delicious.
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