Andrew4Handel wrote:I am offended your use of the word "maybe".

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Andrew4Handel wrote:Peoples outright hostility to challenging peoples right to have children is hardly going to encourage reflective parenting.
Andrew4Handel wrote:laklak wrote:Fortunately not everyone is as fucked up as your parents, a4h.
But there is no system in place or societal pressure to stop this type of parenting. Any parent however well intentioned can seriously harm a child.
Peoples outright hostility to challenging peoples right to have children is hardly going to encourage reflective parenting.
I do resent the fact that I may have to kill myself because living becomes totally unbearable. I would prefer to stick a round and create mayhem than become an anonymous victim.
OlivierK wrote:
Bullshit. The sort of parenting you described is hugely socially unacceptable outside cults, and cult membership is also stigmatised. Beyond the societal pressure, there are also extensive laws in most jurisdictions concerning child protection from that sort of parenting.Andrew4Handel wrote:Peoples outright hostility to challenging peoples right to have children is hardly going to encourage reflective parenting.
Sure, because it's a complete non sequitur to link a denial of rights to parenting styles. Sure there are people who shouldn't have kids, but I'm not certain that trying to ban them is the answer, and I am certain that stopping everyone having kids is not the answer.
Andrew4Handel wrote:I do resent the fact that I may have to kill myself because living becomes totally unbearable.
Andrew4Handel wrote:I would prefer to stick a round and create mayhem than become an anonymous victim.
We have to shout above the din of our Rice Crispies
We can't hear anything at all.
Mother chants her litany of boredom and frustration,
But we know all her suicides are fake.
Andrew4Handel wrote:Fallible wrote:
I think there might be a case for saying maybe they shouldn't have had children, but one cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Also, I'd want to see what your siblings felt about their experience and about whether it was worth the life they have now, which I don't see how we can obtain. Certainly my view is that if you're not good with kids and you don't want to put any effort into making their lives enjoyable, it would be irresponsible to have any.
I am offended your use of the word "maybe".
Do you seriously think my parents should have had children?
Their parenting has caused problems for all their children not just me.
Did you really think after the account I gave that my siblings all turned into successful, fulfilled, happy thriving adults?
They were severely held back from fulfilling their potential. Any happiness is in spite of my parents, not due to it.
It is not simply "irresponsible" to have children that are harmed but rather abusive.
However Andrew, we've been here before. Even you consider your continued life to be the best option, or you wouldn't be here.
This is a ridiculous point. Do you think people must be enjoying life if they haven't committed suicide?
I have attempted suicide in the past by overdose and felt suicidal for long periods and have been depressed for over twenty years. I feel suicidal now. I wake up feeling terrible and spend the day recovering from that feeling.
A lot of people have a fear of death. Killing yourself is not an easy straightforward option once you find life very hard. It is not just like clicking and off switch. One woman in America tried to commit suicide by pouring petrol on herself and setting fire to herself. But she survived and then lived with severe burns and the ensuing pain.
You and others are in complete denial about the amount of pain that you are expecting people to cope with and that you are inflicting along with society which is comprised of people like you.
The fact that people think suicide is a reasonable or easy solution to anything shows either a complete callousness, or frivolity or lack of empathy.
Essentially you are simply asserting that people have a right to harm other people because you believe the harm is okay when accompanied by "Joy".
Andrew4Handel wrote:No one is forcing you to come on the thread are they?
I think peoples immediate reactions to antinatalism are to ignore any of the arguments and get hysterical essentially.
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Andrew4Handel wrote:Fallible wrote:
I think there might be a case for saying maybe they shouldn't have had children, but one cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Also, I'd want to see what your siblings felt about their experience and about whether it was worth the life they have now, which I don't see how we can obtain. Certainly my view is that if you're not good with kids and you don't want to put any effort into making their lives enjoyable, it would be irresponsible to have any.
I am offended your use of the word "maybe". Do you seriously think my parents should have had children? Their parenting has caused problems for all their children not just me. Did you really think after the account I gave that my siblings all turned into successful, fulfilled, happy thriving adults? They were severely held back from fulfilling their potential. Any happiness is in spite of my parents, not due to it.
It is not simply "irresponsible" to have children that are harmed but rather abusive.However Andrew, we've been here before. Even you consider your continued life to be the best option, or you wouldn't be here.
This is a ridiculous point. Do you think people must be enjoying life if they haven't committed suicide? I have attempted suicide in the past by overdose and felt suicidal for long periods and have been depressed for over twenty years. I feel suicidal now. I wake up feeling terrible and spend the day recovering from that feeling.
A lot of people have a fear of death. Killing yourself is not an easy straightforward option once you find life very hard. It is not just like clicking and off switch. One woman in America tried to commit suicide by pouring petrol on herself and setting fire to herself. But she survived and then lived with severe burns and the ensuing pain.
You and others are in complete denial about the amount of pain that you are expecting people to cope with and that you are inflicting along with society which is comprised of people like you.
The fact that people think suicide is a reasonable or easy solution to anything shows either a complete callousness, or frivolity or lack of empathy.
Essentially you are simply asserting that people have a right to harm other people because you believe the harm is okay when accompanied by "Joy".
Alan B wrote:A4H
The trick is to place yourself outside your parent's box and look inside as an external observer. Try it.
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THWOTH wrote:What is natalism, and does objecting to antinatalism necessarily entail it?
dochmbi wrote:Am I simply forced to hold a positive view of life, could I be blind to my own suffering by design?
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