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GrahamH wrote:Yes, the strawberries look red ( a rather bluish-red). The very reason that picture has been so widely circulated is because people see red. Ditto for the black/blue/white/gold dress where people are convinced it is one or the other colour combination.
I think it is more because the background is so in-red more than an internal model of what colour strawberries should be.
DavidMcC wrote:GrahamH wrote:Yes, the strawberries look red ( a rather bluish-red). The very reason that picture has been so widely circulated is because people see red. Ditto for the black/blue/white/gold dress where people are convinced it is one or the other colour combination.
I think it is more because the background is so in-red more than an internal model of what colour strawberries should be.
They still look grey-blue to me, I'm afraid, not in the least red.
DavidMcC wrote:Graham, I don't assume that everyone''s colour vision is the same, that is why I mentioned colour vision defects, which do occur.
On the dress (which was shown a few years ago), I see it as black and blue. IIRC, one of the fashion mags that took a photo of this same dress evidently seriously over-exposed the photo, so that the blue looked white and the black looked gold. Lots of people then thought that their colour vision must be awry! The only thng that was awry was the exposure.
DavidMcC wrote:Graham, I don't assume that everyone''s colour vision is the same, that is why I mentioned colour vision defects, which do occur.
On the dress (which was shown a few years ago), I see it as black and blue. IIRC, one of the fashion mags that took a photo of this same dress evidently seriously over-exposed the photo, so that the blue looked white and the black looked gold. Lots of people then thought that their colour vision must be awry! The only thng that was awry was the exposure.
DavidMcC wrote:synaesthesia
BTW, Met, have you considered the possibility that you have some form of synaesthesia? ideasthesia, perhaps?
PS, I'm taking the last line of your post above as just another (failed) wind-up attempt, because it is fairly obviously that normal colour vision does not involve seeing only what you expect, or want to see.
DavidMcC wrote:OK, so you think it's normal to see the colours you expect to see, and not the actual colours. Wow! Does that mean that colours change for you, even without any external physical cause for it?
DavidMcC wrote:Apologies not coming just yet, until I've got more clarity over your apparent support for people claiming to see grey strawberries as red, while denying that they have any vision issues!
DavidMcC wrote:GrahamH wrote:Yes, the strawberries look red ( a rather bluish-red). The very reason that picture has been so widely circulated is because people see red. Ditto for the black/blue/white/gold dress where people are convinced it is one or the other colour combination.
I think it is more because the background is so un-red more than an internal model of what colour strawberries should be.
They still look grey-blue to me, I'm afraid, not in the least red.
DavidMcC wrote:The_Metatron wrote:Wasn't what was going on with those strawberries to do with how we build the entire picture in our head? You have an internal model of strawberries, and know they are red. In that one, we're filling in the missing color from our model. Or, trying to.
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So, you actually see red stawberries in the photo??
So far, no-one else has admitted to that, so you're an unusual case, Met!
EDIT: Also, trying is not necessarily succeeding.
DavidMcC wrote:synaesthesia
BTW, Met, have you considered the possibility that you have some form of synaesthesia? ideasthesia, perhaps?
PS, I'm taking the last line of your post above as just another (failed) wind-up attempt, because it is fairly obviously that normal colour vision does not involve seeing only what you expect, or want to see.
DavidMcC wrote:Yes, but you were accepting that grey strawberries look red, which is absurd.
Perhaps I should instead have challenged The_Metatron to prove that it is true that MOST people would see grey strawberries as red, but you did not do so. I can't believe it is true.
Also, I reject your claim that I could be the one with "defective" vision, because it is abnormal to see grey as red just because red is the expected colour. For that reason, I suspect that The_Met is being mischievous here.
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