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DavidMcC wrote:
I don't "prefer" to call a yellow square "yellow", I just think it is appropriate when the pixels in it are not resolved (unless you use a magnifying glass), so that green and red areas merge to yellow, so that the avearge physicakl colour is yellow.
GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
I don't "prefer" to call a yellow square "yellow", I just think it is appropriate when the pixels in it are not resolved (unless you use a magnifying glass), so that green and red areas merge to yellow, so that the avearge physicakl colour is yellow.
And you wanted to make a distinction between perceptual and physical colour? All you are saying here is that you want to call it yellow because you aren't looking at the details and it looks yellow to you. Your reply acknowledges that the photons have wavelengths we would perceive as red and green. If the photons aren't the "physical colour" WTF is?
I will credit you with knowing that mixing "red photons" and "green photons" doesn't create "yellow photons".
scott1328 wrote:GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
I don't "prefer" to call a yellow square "yellow", I just think it is appropriate when the pixels in it are not resolved (unless you use a magnifying glass), so that green and red areas merge to yellow, so that the avearge physicakl colour is yellow.
And you wanted to make a distinction between perceptual and physical colour? All you are saying here is that you want to call it yellow because you aren't looking at the details and it looks yellow to you. Your reply acknowledges that the photons have wavelengths we would perceive as red and green. If the photons aren't the "physical colour" WTF is?
I will credit you with knowing that mixing "red photons" and "green photons" doesn't create "yellow photons".
If you do some wavelength arithmetic, they would average to yellow photons, doesn't that count?
GrahamH wrote:scott1328 wrote:GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
I don't "prefer" to call a yellow square "yellow", I just think it is appropriate when the pixels in it are not resolved (unless you use a magnifying glass), so that green and red areas merge to yellow, so that the avearge physicakl colour is yellow.
And you wanted to make a distinction between perceptual and physical colour? All you are saying here is that you want to call it yellow because you aren't looking at the details and it looks yellow to you. Your reply acknowledges that the photons have wavelengths we would perceive as red and green. If the photons aren't the "physical colour" WTF is?
I will credit you with knowing that mixing "red photons" and "green photons" doesn't create "yellow photons".
If you do some wavelength arithmetic, they would average to yellow photons, doesn't that count?
There would be no yellow photons present. All that counts for perceiving yellow is to have similar excitation of L and M cones and negligible stimulation of S cones, which could result from all sorts of spectra.
DavidMcC wrote:
You and Graham seem to be making much of your ignorance of colour displays
GrahamH wrote:scott1328 wrote:GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
I don't "prefer" to call a yellow square "yellow", I just think it is appropriate when the pixels in it are not resolved (unless you use a magnifying glass), so that green and red areas merge to yellow, so that the avearge physicakl colour is yellow.
And you wanted to make a distinction between perceptual and physical colour? All you are saying here is that you want to call it yellow because you aren't looking at the details and it looks yellow to you. Your reply acknowledges that the photons have wavelengths we would perceive as red and green. If the photons aren't the "physical colour" WTF is?
I will credit you with knowing that mixing "red photons" and "green photons" doesn't create "yellow photons".
If you do some wavelength arithmetic, they would average to yellow photons, doesn't that count?
There would be no yellow photons present. All that counts for perceiving yellow is to have similar excitation of L and M cones and negligible stimulation of S cones, which could result from all sorts of spectra.
DavidMcC wrote:... The different appearance of the different "yellow" squares..
DavidMcC wrote:
Acually, it's more a matter of shade than hue. The "brown" and "yelllow" squares do not look like very different hues, just very diffeent shades.
I suppose you can define "colour" as including shade as well as hue.
GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
Acually, it's more a matter of shade than hue. The "brown" and "yelllow" squares do not look like very different hues, just very diffeent shades.
I suppose you can define "colour" as including shade as well as hue.
I think that having a different name for a colour is sufficient difference.
What do you say about the "physical colour" of those squares? Is there one colour, or two (brown and yellow?) to match the "perceptual colours"?
DavidMcC wrote:GrahamH wrote:
I think that having a different name for a colour is sufficient difference.
What do you say about the "physical colour" of those squares? Is there one colour, or two (brown and yellow?) to match the "perceptual colours"?
Definitely only one physical colour, but two perceptual colours, based on post-processing of cone cell signals in some part or other of the visual cortex.
GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:GrahamH wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
Acually, it's more a matter of shade than hue. The "brown" and "yelllow" squares do not look like very different hues, just very diffeent shades.
I suppose you can define "colour" as including shade as well as hue.
I think that having a different name for a colour is sufficient difference.
What do you say about the "physical colour" of those squares? Is there one colour, or two (brown and yellow?) to match the "perceptual colours"?
Definitely only one physical colour, but two perceptual colours, based on post-processing of cone cell signals in some part or other of the visual cortex.
OK, so 1:2 physical : perceptual is easy. What about the red, green, yellow square. Isn't that 2:1, two physical colours and one perceptual colour?
DavidMcC wrote:
Definitely only one physical colour, but two perceptual colours, based on post-processing of cone cell signals in some part or other of the visual cortex.
romansh wrote:DavidMcC wrote:
Definitely only one physical colour, but two perceptual colours, based on post-processing of cone cell signals in some part or other of the visual cortex.
Which one is the correct perceptual colour?
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