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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#81  Postby felltoearth » Sep 15, 2018 12:54 am

Offense taken. Stop using the word retard.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#82  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 15, 2018 3:30 am

jamest wrote:I'm not interested in your sarcasm, regardless of how many thumbs-ups you get for it.


Oho! Now I get it. This game is like some weird extension of Rock-Paper-Scissors. Thumbs up blocks badger, or summat.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#83  Postby Fallible » Sep 15, 2018 7:52 am

:tehe:
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#84  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 15, 2018 8:21 am

So, you guys really improved your value?
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#85  Postby Fallible » Sep 15, 2018 8:34 am

So, you stopped beating your wife?
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#86  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 15, 2018 8:37 am

wisedupearly wrote:So, you guys really improved your value?


Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with. -- Bob Wells

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/bob_wells_392447

What this means, in effect, is that, assuming I start at zero and improve even a little, my value increases immeasurably simply by comparing myself to somebody or something that's stuck at zero.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#87  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2018 8:50 am

Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this. CVM is used to attempt to place a value on environmental "goods" and is notoriously inaccurate and difficult to utilise. Perhaps "do you have adequate self-esteem and do you attempt to increase it and if so, how?" would be a more answerable question.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#88  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 15, 2018 9:46 am

Keep It Real wrote:Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this. --


umm, how can we teach people to be "decent"? Might be of great value to many people, here and elsewhere.
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#89  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 15, 2018 11:08 am

wisedupearly wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this. --


umm, how can we teach people to be "decent"? Might be of great value to many people, here and elsewhere.


I guess we just have to wait for that teachable moment. If someone is not prepared to learn, teaching is wasted. So now your question is going to be "how can we prepare people to learn?" Early childhood development is something people have studied quite a bit, and quite a bit is known. Then your question is "how can we best foster good early childhood development?" Since opinions vary and many parents insist on indoctrinating their children in a religion from an early age, early childhood development can be badly stunted by such poor parenting decisions. Ah, you say, all parents were kids, once. See? You're getting the hang of it, now! The alternative, of course, is to pull 'decency' out of a magic hat. Right after the cute bunny rabbit.
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#90  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 15, 2018 11:47 am

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Early childhood development is something people have studied quite a bit, and quite a bit is known. Then your question is "how can we best foster good early childhood development?"


Now, early childhood development? Consists of what? The conventional approach is to use puzzles, physical manipulation with some goal that is apparent. Square block in the square hole, and so it goes. Determination of object shapes and space shapes. Determination of orientation.
The key to conventional development is achieving the goal. The teacher encourages the student to concentrate and finish without delay. Whereupon, another more complicated puzzle is provided. The child is taught that the teacher values only "good results".
This reflects society's blind acceptance of Socrates and Aristotle.

The regular teacher does not educate the child in how they should appreciate his/her mental faculties.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#91  Postby Fallible » Sep 15, 2018 12:14 pm

How do you know?
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#92  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 15, 2018 12:37 pm

Fallible wrote:How do you know?

Is this really a surprise to you?
Late 60's. two kids. And I was the recipient of a very traditional public school education.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#93  Postby PensivePenny » Sep 15, 2018 1:12 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this.


Yes, John Snow... it is known.

Appeal to popularity? No true Scotsman? Why not just say, "Human life is priceless, imo," and leave off the logical fallacy?
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#94  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2018 1:41 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
Early childhood development is something people have studied quite a bit, and quite a bit is known. Then your question is "how can we best foster good early childhood development?"


Educate the masses on the importance of fostering secure attachment to the mother/primary caregiver for the infant circa John Bowlby (that's a real John, pensive) would be a start.
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#95  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 15, 2018 1:47 pm

PensivePenny wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this.


Yes, John Snow... it is known.

Appeal to popularity? No true Scotsman? Why not just say, "Human life is priceless, imo," and leave off the logical fallacy?


Is it really impossible to say, "A human's life should be priceless to to the person themselves" ?
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#96  Postby PensivePenny » Sep 15, 2018 2:15 pm

wisedupearly wrote:
PensivePenny wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:Human life is priceless. Every decent person knows this.


Yes, John Snow... it is known.

Appeal to popularity? No true Scotsman? Why not just say, "Human life is priceless, imo," and leave off the logical fallacy?


Is it really impossible to say, "A human's life should be priceless to to the person themselves" ?


Personally, I've not observed a combination of words in the English vernacular that are "impossible" to say. But I have observed, anecdotally, the increasing rarity in which said words are logically valid. I am concerned with this site's adherence to that in the same manner as I would be concerned that child porn was being freely distributed on a child learning site. While it would be disturbing on ANY site, it is particularly so on a site purportedly designated as a safe zone for children, a "lifeboat" for the innocent, if you will.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#97  Postby surreptitious57 » Sep 15, 2018 2:16 pm


Your true value depends entirely on what you are compared with - Bob Wells


The only comparison should be with yourself because that is ultimately the best and only true measure of self worth
Not self worth as in narcissism or egotism but real honesty pertaining to yourself as a moral being over your lifetime
I know I am a better human being now since time and experience has made me more aware of myself in that regard
But complacency cannot be entertained since there is always room for self improvement regardless of anything else

I may not like looking into the abyss but at least I know what is in there
The only true path to self improvement is to confront ones own demons

Some times they cannot be defeated and so one has to learn to make peace with them instead
Fighting that which is more powerful than yourself is no longer an option when truth is realised

For me it is also realising that I am just passing through and that my existence matters not in the grand scheme of things
Emotional detachment or neutrality are wonderful drivers for my psychological well being and do not make me sad at all

I want to be dead forever just like I was before my parents decided to create me
That was a time of zero suffering so I am glad I will be returning there once again

Human reasoning says that life is preferable to death but nobody actually stops to thinks what the dead may think of this
When the human race is extinct and all are dead no one will complain anymore as everyone will be sans suffering forever
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#98  Postby PensivePenny » Sep 15, 2018 2:18 pm

Keep It Real wrote: (that's a real John, pensive)


As long as he keeps it that way.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#99  Postby Fallible » Sep 15, 2018 2:20 pm

wisedupearly wrote:
Fallible wrote:How do you know?

Is this really a surprise to you?


You're just full of loaded questions and statements today, aren't you. I asked you a simple question.

Late 60's. two kids. And I was the recipient of a very traditional public school education.


I'm over 20 years younger than you with a kid currently in education. If that's all you've got to go on, who do you think is best placed to comment on education and childhood development out of the two of us? At best you're hopelessly out of date.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#100  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 15, 2018 3:22 pm

PensivePenny wrote:
Keep It Real wrote: (that's a real John, pensive)


As long as he keeps it that way.


Fank u :grin:
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