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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#21  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 9:57 am

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Preparing meals gives you satisfaction?

Yes. Very much so.


Great. Is that by chance or did you make an effort to achieve that connection?
I am getting way too involved with personalities here but I'd like the community to think about your success.

An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#22  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 11, 2018 9:59 am

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Of course, claiming that some behaviour or feeling is an evolved predisposition is not to claim that it’s rational. Are you saying that if a person has an evolved predisposition to find satisfaction in looking after some other people’s wellbeing, as well as (or, occasionally, instead of) their own, then this satisfaction is irrational?


I think you're badly misreading the words of your interlocutor. I'm guessing wisedupearly's comments about community match up very well with your own ideas.

In any event, besides being a brute fact, that is, a fact about how the living universe works, explaining what we do as a process of advancing our genome is a way of saying there isn't a philosophical exposition of why we do what we do. How many times can you repeat that before it gets boring for you?

I mean, you can only do so much to cut down the underbrush of philosophical explanations of things, and the meta-level is that you're suggesting there's a point to cutting down that underbrush besides pointing out that it's circular.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#23  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 11, 2018 10:09 am

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An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.


There you go: Chop wood, carry water. If I take your meaning, there's nothing amiss with this. We've produced a lot of technology. If you were a Luddite, you'd say that gets in the way of chopping wood and carrying water. I don't think that's your main point, but you never know. I doubt you know what your point is.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#24  Postby Thommo » Sep 11, 2018 10:10 am

wisedupearly wrote:An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.


Those don't appear to be mutually exclusive options.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#25  Postby Sendraks » Sep 11, 2018 10:30 am

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Great. Is that by chance or did you make an effort to achieve that connection?


I enjoy creating things in a more general sense.
I enjoy eating good food.
Being able to make something that you enjoy and that others enjoy, is in itself, enjoyable.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#26  Postby Fallible » Sep 11, 2018 10:38 am

wisedupearly wrote:
Sendraks wrote:
wisedupearly wrote:
Preparing meals gives you satisfaction?

Yes. Very much so.


Great. Is that by chance or did you make an effort to achieve that connection?
I am getting way too involved with personalities here but I'd like the community to think about your success.

An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.


She battled through in every kind of tribulation,
She revelled in adventure and imagination.
She never listened to no hater, liar,
Breaking boundaries and chasing fire.
Oh, my my! Oh my, she flies!
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#27  Postby felltoearth » Sep 11, 2018 11:21 am

jamest wrote:Any cunt coming to the philosophy forum seeking to promote themselves as an individual is a fucking retard in my eyes. So I'm willing to sacrifice my best frozen badger and shove it up your arse (instead of mine), simply to make this point.

That is, if any cunt values itself within this thread, I'll be shafting them in some form. In case you're wondering, jamest isn't here.

Wisedupearly meet jamest. Jamest, wisedupearly.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#28  Postby surreptitious57 » Sep 11, 2018 1:55 pm

wisedupearly wrote:
If you do not value yourself how do you preserve yourself ?

I avoid positive self valuing because it can let narcissism and egotism in
And so I gravitate toward negative and / or neutral self valuing instead

I do not have a moral philosophy as such but three simple rules
Do not harm others / be productive / learn from your mistakes

I focus more on what I can do rather than on who I am
I want to be the best version of me that I can truly be
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#29  Postby laklak » Sep 11, 2018 1:56 pm

There is no value. There is no meaning. We're specs of amoebic consciousness crawling about on an insignificant cosmic mudball. Given that, the meaning of life is best summed up by Jimmy Buffett.

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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#30  Postby surreptitious57 » Sep 11, 2018 6:07 pm


Nothing matters in the grand scheme of things only in the here and now
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#31  Postby BlackBart » Sep 11, 2018 8:07 pm

wisedupearly wrote:...I'd like the community to think about your success.


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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#32  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 10:07 pm

laklak wrote:There is no value. There is no meaning. We're specs of amoebic consciousness crawling about on an insignificant cosmic mudball. Given that, the meaning of life is best summed up by Jimmy Buffett.


Didn't Jimmy Buffet make a whole lot money by not following his own advice?
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#33  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 10:09 pm

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I focus more on what I can do rather than on who I am
I want to be the best version of me that I can truly be


Sounds rather like think rational act rational
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#34  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 10:11 pm

felltoearth wrote:
jamest wrote:Any cunt coming to the philosophy forum seeking to promote themselves as an individual is a fucking retard in my eyes. So I'm willing to sacrifice my best frozen badger and shove it up your arse (instead of mine), simply to make this point.

That is, if any cunt values itself within this thread, I'll be shafting them in some form. In case you're wondering, jamest isn't here.

Wisedupearly meet jamest. Jamest, wisedupearly.


Where is the promised badger?
Well, actually, I am trying to get others to see themselves as having value. Even Jamest.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#35  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 10:16 pm

Thommo wrote:
wisedupearly wrote:An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.


Those don't appear to be mutually exclusive options.


They shouldn't be exclusive. But how many people see them as being inherently exclusive? What has to be done is never seen as a source of satisfaction.

Of course they are wrong. If PERFORMING one "daily task" can provide satisfaction, why not another?
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#36  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 11, 2018 10:18 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
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Of course, claiming that some behaviour or feeling is an evolved predisposition is not to claim that it’s rational. Are you saying that if a person has an evolved predisposition to find satisfaction in looking after some other people’s wellbeing, as well as (or, occasionally, instead of) their own, then this satisfaction is irrational?


I think you're badly misreading the words of your interlocutor. I'm guessing wisedupearly's comments about community match up very well with your own ideas.

In any event, besides being a brute fact, that is, a fact about how the living universe works, explaining what we do as a process of advancing our genome is a way of saying there isn't a philosophical exposition of why we do what we do. How many times can you repeat that before it gets boring for you?

I mean, you can only do so much to cut down the underbrush of philosophical explanations of things, and the meta-level is that you're suggesting there's a point to cutting down that underbrush besides pointing out that it's circular.


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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#37  Postby Thommo » Sep 11, 2018 10:28 pm

wisedupearly wrote:
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wisedupearly wrote:An everyday task that must be performed is not a burden but gives some increase in satisfaction.


Those don't appear to be mutually exclusive options.


They shouldn't be exclusive. But how many people see them as being inherently exclusive? What has to be done is never seen as a source of satisfaction.

Of course they are wrong. If one "daily task" can provide satisfaction, why not another?


I'm glad we agree that daily tasks may or may not provide satisfaction. Where exactly does that get your argument?

I really haven't seen any connection between the various disparate elements that have appeared in the thread.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#38  Postby laklak » Sep 11, 2018 10:34 pm

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Didn't Jimmy Buffet make a whole lot money by not following his own advice?


A flat out shitton. Now he's building entire communities where retiring boomers can go live the Margaritaville lifestyle, eat in Margaritaville restaurants, wear Margaritaville flip-flops, and go on vacation to Margaritaville resorts. Evidently doing that increases their self-respect and sense of community (look up Parrothead clubs, they do a lot of charity work). And I'm sure Jimmy's self-respect is just fine, too. Value and meaning have little to do with it, what with it being just opinions.

My philosophy can also be summed up as "Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling". You pays your money and you takes your choice.
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Re: Do you value yourself & how do you improve your value?

#39  Postby wisedupearly » Sep 12, 2018 12:07 am

laklak wrote:
wisedupearly wrote:

Didn't Jimmy Buffet make a whole lot money by not following his own advice?


A flat out shitton. Now he's building entire communities where retiring boomers can go live the Margaritaville lifestyle, eat in Margaritaville restaurants, wear Margaritaville flip-flops, and go on vacation to Margaritaville resorts. Evidently doing that increases their self-respect and sense of community (look up Parrothead clubs, they do a lot of charity work). And I'm sure Jimmy's self-respect is just fine, too. Value and meaning have little to do with it, what with it being just opinions.

My philosophy can also be summed up as "Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling". You pays your money and you takes your choice.


The text in the video said "Why don't we get drunk and screw"? Well clearly singing to massive audiences is exactly the opposite of getting drunk and screwing.
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#40  Postby laklak » Sep 12, 2018 12:14 am

Well, to be fair he'd probably get arrested if he followed through...
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