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Re: Endtimes for Democracy and Capitalism? What next?

#81  Postby Macdoc » Apr 14, 2020 9:59 pm

Switzerland? Cantons are as close to direct democracy as it gets and they call the shots with some limitations.

The Swiss Federal Constitution[12] declares the cantons to be sovereign to the extent that their sovereignty is not limited by federal law.[13]


Areas specifically reserved to the Confederation are the armed forces, currency, the postal service, telecommunications, immigration into and emigration from the country, granting asylum, conducting foreign relations with sovereign states, civil and criminal law, weights and measures, and customs duties.

Each canton has its own constitution, legislature, executive, police and courts.[13] Similar to the Confederation, a directorial system of government is followed by the cantons.


Switzerland is a rare example of a country with instruments of direct democracy (at the levels of the municipalities, cantons, and federal state). Citizens have more power than in a representative democracy. ... A double majority requires approval by a majority of individuals voting, and also by a majority of cantons.


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Pretty awkward for a larger nation. :coffee:
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Re: Endtimes for Democracy and Capitalism? What next?

#82  Postby Hermit » Apr 15, 2020 5:26 am

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OlivierK wrote:While I said that the corporate sector in a mixed economy drives wealth creation, I didn't say that the role of capitalism was limited to that role alone. As a corollary of not saying that, I certainly can not be said to have insisted on that.

While I said that regulation to price in externalities is a government responsibility, I didn't say that that's their only role, nor that regulation is their only role. As a corollary of not saying that, I certainly can not be said to have insisted on that.

Right. I unreservedly acknowledge that you never insisted on limiting the function of capitalism to being a wealth creator and government to regulator. I was wrong. My assertion that you did is a misrepresentation of your position, and I withdraw it. Apologies.

Well done sir! I admire a full retraction as much, if not more, than a well presented truth. It sure displays a character not concerned with preservation of ego, or status, and should be seen as an admirable trait in all of us. Again, well done.

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#83  Postby gobshite » Apr 21, 2020 11:07 am

Wasn't someone talking about 1000's of percent inflation? Who was that...? Well oil just went negative cost. That's massively deflationary. It's going to take a little more work to get those thousands of percent inflation... :coffee:
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#84  Postby Hermit » Apr 21, 2020 11:29 am

gobshite wrote:Wasn't someone talking about 1000's of percent inflation? Who was that...? Well oil just went negative cost. That's massively deflationary. It's going to take a little more work to get those thousands of percent inflation... :coffee:

Supply and demand. Supply and demand, you numpty, is a double-edged sword. With at least half the global population dying due to the economic catastrophe caused by social isolation, the demand for coffins will skyrocket. Coffins don't grow on trees, you know? A single coffin will set you back 10,000 bitcoins, or more. If you get lumbered with having to bury your wife and two children, that'll spell your total financial ruin! WAKE UP to the facts! Well, my facts. OK, my opinions, but I am so absolutely convinced that my opinions are correct, they're the same as facts.

Wait here, while I go and get some badgers out of the freezer.
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Re: Endtimes for Democracy and Capitalism? What next?

#86  Postby jamest » Apr 21, 2020 7:55 pm

Cheeky. ;)
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#87  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 21, 2020 10:04 pm

...or accurate.

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#88  Postby jamest » Apr 21, 2020 11:33 pm

I certainly stand by the claim that hyperinflation is on the horizon, if that's what you mean, but I didn't say that it was going to be happening this month! This virus malarkey is going to be haunting us for another year, I suspect, and the economy is going to be suffering intensely throughout. In my opinion, things are going to get gradually worse to the point that we have the biggest crash in history and fiat currency loses most of its value or collapses entirely. If that happens they'll have to do a reset based on gold or some kind of cryptocurrency.

By then of course all people will have lost faith in the government and its economic policies, hence the biggest changes might be political to the point that government as we know it becomes obsolete. Hence, this thread.
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#89  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 22, 2020 12:07 am

We know. You keep repeating the same thing over and over. It’s as if you seem to want this outcome, if for no other reason so that you can crow about what a wonderful prophet you are. Still you never consider/admit that a lump of gold, platinum or U238 won’t buy a loaf of stale bread if things turn out like you predict.

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Re: Endtimes for Democracy and Capitalism? What next?

#90  Postby jamest » Apr 22, 2020 12:43 am

theropod_V_2.0 wrote:We know. You keep repeating the same thing over and over. It’s as if you seem to want this outcome, if for no other reason so that you can crow about what a wonderful prophet you are. Still you never consider/admit that a lump of gold, platinum or U238 won’t buy a loaf of stale bread if things turn out like you predict.

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No, I don't want that outcome, as I don't want to be "crowing" when half of us might be dead, including my own family.

Best case scenario is that you're all laughing at me in two years. I'll take that, genuinely. I'll even laugh with you.

Worst case scenario is total anarchy, in which only the strongest will prevail and they'll steal everyone's assets and food. But it ain't necessarily going to get that bad, so holding alternative assets such as the precious metals and crypto might indeed be your salvation. I've also just planted a load of veg in my back garden. You've just gotta do whatever you can to get you through this, which is what I'm doing.

At the end of the day I don't really care about myself. I'm doing what I'm doing for my family and saying what I'm saying for you. In two years time if I look like a daft twat, then I'll apologise and encourage you all to take the piss. But if in two years time half of you are dead because you didn't do a fucking thing, I'll come back crying and scorning.
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#91  Postby OlivierK » Apr 22, 2020 3:16 am

jamest wrote:n two years time if I look like a daft twat, then I'll apologise and encourage you all to take the piss.

On past form, no, you won't.
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#92  Postby jamest » Apr 22, 2020 3:29 am

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jamest wrote:n two years time if I look like a daft twat, then I'll apologise and encourage you all to take the piss.

On past form, no, you won't.

In terms of my philosophy and thoughts, I've had nothing to apologise for thus far. So, spare me your spiel.
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#93  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 22, 2020 3:30 am

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Best case scenario is that you're all laughing at me in two years. I'll take that, genuinely. I'll even laugh with you.


How is it, jamest, that the opportunity for your POV to be vindicated is always two years (or more) in the future? You know what they say: If it happens, it must be possible. But it fucking has to happen.

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I've had nothing to apologise for thus far.


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#94  Postby OlivierK » Apr 22, 2020 3:36 am

You heard it here first Cito, jamest has never looked like a daft twat. Says so himself, and he ought to know.
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#95  Postby jamest » Apr 22, 2020 4:12 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
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Best case scenario is that you're all laughing at me in two years. I'll take that, genuinely. I'll even laugh with you.


How is it, jamest, that the opportunity for your POV to be vindicated is always two years (or more) in the future? You know what they say: If it happens, it must be possible. But it fucking has to happen.

I've never been in the prediction business until February of last year, even though I'm a theist. And please note that any predictions I've made since then have nothing to do with God. Of course, dire financial predictions need a little time to play out, so bear with me. I mean, we're just talking a couple of years here.

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I've had nothing to apologise for thus far.


Have you had anything for which to apologise?

I have regrets, for sure, regarding my behaviour. As for my thoughts, none whatsoever.
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#96  Postby jamest » Apr 22, 2020 4:14 am

OlivierK wrote:You heard it here first Cito, jamest has never looked like a daft twat. Says so himself, and he ought to know.

I've only ever looked like a cunt in terms of my behaviour, not my philosophy. That's perfect. I'm not. I sometimes feel like the Liam Gallagher of the philosophy realm, if you get my drift.
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#97  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 22, 2020 4:16 am

jamest wrote:As for my thoughts, none whatsoever.


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#98  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 22, 2020 4:21 am

jamest wrote:
OlivierK wrote:You heard it here first Cito, jamest has never looked like a daft twat. Says so himself, and he ought to know.

I've only ever looked like a cunt in terms of my behaviour, not my philosophy. That's perfect. I'm not. I sometimes feel like the Liam Gallagher of the philosophy realm, if you get my drift.


Are you suggesting your philosophy has nothing to do with your behavior? If so, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
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#99  Postby jamest » Apr 22, 2020 4:37 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
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OlivierK wrote:You heard it here first Cito, jamest has never looked like a daft twat. Says so himself, and he ought to know.

I've only ever looked like a cunt in terms of my behaviour, not my philosophy. That's perfect. I'm not. I sometimes feel like the Liam Gallagher of the philosophy realm, if you get my drift.


Are you suggesting your philosophy has nothing to do with your behavior? If so, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

My philosophy is completely detached from my ego, yes. Which is not to say that my ego has never been an issue, especially here and wrt to the fuckin' FUA for which I couldn't give two shits.

Beyond this forum I live a very mundane life and if you ever met me you might think that I was shy, which isn't the case, as I'm just disinterested in bullshit. Hell, for me, is a dinner party listening to a dozen half-wits talking about themselves and having to force a smile.

For someone like me, who knows the truth, one's major battle is with oneself. One's ego.
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Re: Endtimes for Democracy and Capitalism? What next?

#100  Postby Hermit » Apr 22, 2020 4:39 am

jamest wrote:Best case scenario is that you're all laughing at me in two years.

Eleven months, actually.
jamest wrote:A year from now, I predict that the $£ etc. will have a significant fraction of its present value. We'll be in the realms of a 4-figure percentage hike within a year, is my prediction.
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