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The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
FBM wrote:Seems most likely to me that the sense of free will is closely related to the sense of agency that is produced in the parietal lobe (left, IIRC). I don't see any reason to think that it corresponds to anything in particular; it's just a sensation.
There's the work that Libet did that strongly suggests that decisions are made prior to conscious awareness of them. More recently, John-Dylan Haynes, et al, did some experiments that seem to show that decisions can happen unconsciously up to 10 seconds prior to conscious awareness of them. http://brainandlearning.blogspot.com/2008/04/do-we-have-freewill.html
katja z wrote:FBM wrote:Seems most likely to me that the sense of free will is closely related to the sense of agency that is produced in the parietal lobe (left, IIRC). I don't see any reason to think that it corresponds to anything in particular; it's just a sensation.
There's the work that Libet did that strongly suggests that decisions are made prior to conscious awareness of them. More recently, John-Dylan Haynes, et al, did some experiments that seem to show that decisions can happen unconsciously up to 10 seconds prior to conscious awareness of them. http://brainandlearning.blogspot.com/2008/04/do-we-have-freewill.html
That's interesting. The "power of the veto" is an intriguing concept. So the solution-seeking process would be unconsciouss (meaning that reliance on gut feeling or "intuition" is a perfectly reasonable strategy?), but "the conscious I" would still decide whether to act on the outcome or not. This would make free will very limited, yet still more than "just a sensation" as you suggest in the first paragraph. Thoughts?
Ilovelucy wrote:Many have said in the wake of Libet that we might not have free will but we do have free "won't".
FBM wrote:There's the work that Libet did that strongly suggests that decisions are made prior to conscious awareness of them. More recently, John-Dylan Haynes, et al, did some experiments that seem to show that decisions can happen unconsciously up to 10 seconds prior to conscious awareness of them. http://brainandlearning.blogspot.com/2008/04/do-we-have-freewill.html
katja z wrote:Ilovelucy wrote:Many have said in the wake of Libet that we might not have free will but we do have free "won't".
As long as it's free something
Comte de St.-Germain wrote:
Anyway, Libet offered the idea of the veto himself. It has been rather solidly rebuked in an experimental setting as well.
The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
Audley Strange wrote:The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
No it doesn't. There is no such thing as evil, so, no relation, no problem.
Nocterro wrote:Audley Strange wrote:The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
No it doesn't. There is no such thing as evil, so, no relation, no problem.
How are you defining "evil" here?
Audley Strange wrote:Nocterro wrote:Audley Strange wrote:The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
No it doesn't. There is no such thing as evil, so, no relation, no problem.
How are you defining "evil" here?
I'm not, it doesn't exist thus it can't be defined.
Nocterro wrote:Audley Strange wrote:Nocterro wrote:Audley Strange wrote:The Doctor wrote:Does free will exist? I'm interested in how you think it relates to the problem of evil.
No it doesn't. There is no such thing as evil, so, no relation, no problem.
How are you defining "evil" here?
I'm not, it doesn't exist thus it can't be defined.
Then why does practically every dictionary in the world define it?
Nocterro wrote:Are you now going to claim that "unicorn" cannot be defined?
Why is it the case that something must exist to be defined? Surely we can define all kinds of non-existent things, given that the definition does not include "...and exists".
wonka08 wrote:I don't think that Free Will in accordance with the Christian God could exist. If he is omniscient then he would know every decision of every person past and in the future. So our decisions would already be decided for us in the future, we're just following them.
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