jamest wrote:

tuco wrote:I see that on page 7 the initial definition of self-evident: any proposition that is beyond doubt, does not hold anymore and I guess it does not surprise anyone.

Are you saying that "any proposition that is beyond doubt, does not hold anymore", is beyond doubt?

No sure to be honest, it was just my observation.

Pebble wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:
It means that if you have to present evidence for it, it is not self-evident.

That much I had taken as evidently agreed by both sides.

Teuton wrote:

A proposition whose truth-value is determined through introspection is not self-evident.

I don't think that the immediate content of my present state of consciousness constitutes an act of introspection. Suppose I say that "I see a cloud". My consciousness of seeing a cloud preceded my assertion hence my assertion is redundant since I am giving voice to an event that is happening even as I say it. That is why I regard such an assertion as self-evident.