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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#81  Postby ughaibu » Aug 09, 2016 5:43 am

igorfrankensteen wrote:
Is philosophy worth bothering with?
Only to the degree that a foundation is worth bothering with, when building a house.
I'm more than a little surprised that only two people here appear to recognize that.
Or perhaps it's just that everyone is in a mood to be flippant about this, since it's such an old and often asked question, mostly by people just discovering the challenges of being old enough to drive.
You've been a member of this board for five years, you must have seen crap like this thread's post no.7 dozens of times. This board is bristling with people who make statements, about philosophy, that are completely ignorant. Consider also the number who appear to be scared to hold any position that they think commits them to a metaphysical stance. It's not just odd, it's pathological.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#82  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2016 6:44 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
BlackBart wrote:How to think and not what to think.

BTW Interesting fact; if you click on the first link in any Wikipedia article, then click on the first link in that article and so on and so on, invariably you end up at 'Philosophy' :coffee:


I tried this with Pop-Tart and it took me to Natural Science. :think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop-Tarts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convenience_food
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicellular_organism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science


Keep going! :grin:
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#83  Postby VazScep » Aug 09, 2016 6:51 am

I bet you eventually end up back at "Pop tarts."
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#84  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2016 7:05 am

VazScep wrote:I bet you eventually end up back at "Pop tarts."


It's Pop-Tarts all the way down!
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#85  Postby Cito di Pense » Aug 09, 2016 7:25 am

BlackBart wrote:
VazScep wrote:I bet you eventually end up back at "Pop tarts."


It's Pop-Tarts all the way down!


Pop-tarts pop down; pop-tarts pop back up; you can't explain that.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#86  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 09, 2016 8:17 am

Thommo wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:
VazScep wrote:I like to believe some people are just natural at not bothering with philosophy.


I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.


Ahh, but you are now caught in the fundamental paradox of dispute. You try to evade the request for definition by narrowing the definition of "philosophy", one of the very terms I asked you to so do with.

But do the definitions "suffer"? Morality is about suffering.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#87  Postby Calilasseia » Aug 09, 2016 8:31 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:
Thommo wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:

I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.


Ahh, but you are now caught in the fundamental paradox of dispute. You try to evade the request for definition by narrowing the definition of "philosophy", one of the very terms I asked you to so do with.

But do the definitions "suffer"? Morality is about suffering.


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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#88  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 09, 2016 8:39 am

I am an existentialist's nightmare. Sartre's shit scared of me.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#89  Postby Thommo » Aug 09, 2016 9:54 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:
Thommo wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:

I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.


Ahh, but you are now caught in the fundamental paradox of dispute. You try to evade the request for definition by narrowing the definition of "philosophy", one of the very terms I asked you to so do with.

But do the definitions "suffer"? Morality is about suffering.


I'm trying out a new hybrid concept of metaethics. I only believe in objective morality from Wednesday lunchtime until Friday evening. Nihilism over the weekend and subjective morals on Monday mornings.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#90  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 09, 2016 10:39 am

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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#91  Postby SpeedOfSound » Aug 09, 2016 12:49 pm

Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:
VazScep wrote:
Boyle wrote:At the very least, I think people should bother with enough philosophy to be able to tell when they are, in fact, bothering with philosophy.
I like to believe some people are just natural at not bothering with philosophy.


I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.

I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#92  Postby Cito di Pense » Aug 09, 2016 1:16 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:
VazScep wrote:I like to believe some people are just natural at not bothering with philosophy.


I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.

I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?


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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#93  Postby VazScep » Aug 09, 2016 1:59 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:
VazScep wrote:I like to believe some people are just natural at not bothering with philosophy.


I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.

I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?
Genuinely, you get more attention at cocktail parties quoting Derrida than you do Quine.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#94  Postby laklak » Aug 09, 2016 2:26 pm

This is all very interesting, but I just want to know what it all means. Can't somebody give me a simple answer?
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#95  Postby VazScep » Aug 09, 2016 2:37 pm

laklak wrote:This is all very interesting, but I just want to know what it all means. Can't somebody give me a simple answer?
42 is too complex for you?

But wat is da question? Luckily, ughaibu has informed us that it is about the underlying. So we are sorted.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#96  Postby Boyle » Aug 09, 2016 3:19 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
Boyle wrote:
Thommo wrote:
VazScep wrote:I like to believe some people are just natural at not bothering with philosophy.


I think as a preliminary exercise we need to perform a conceptual, syntactical and hierarchical analysis of the words "believe", "natural" "bothering" and "philosophy.

Nb. also "I" "to" "some" "are" and "with".

Nah, that's analytic shit. Continental philosophy is more fun.

I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?

Just a joke. Analytics are rumored to suck the fun out of everything with defining and limiting and hierarching when they could just be bawwing on about power or having a party.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#97  Postby VazScep » Aug 09, 2016 3:36 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?
The most classic piece of philosophical analysis is the idea that knowledge is true, justified belief. This isn't how most people use the word "know", but you will find that philosophers will insist that this is the concept (the underlying concept?). That is, until you start talking about Gettier counterexamples, which show that this analysis of knowledge is wrong. That is, until you start doing empirical surveys of people's responses to Gettier cases, and start getting the impression that whether people think it is right or wrong might vary depending on which continent you grew up on.

To put it glibly, analytic philosophy is what you get when you take language --- that system of mouth noises humans hurl at each other --- way too seriously, and continental is what you get when you take language as something that should be constantly undermined. I'm decidedly in the latter camp.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#98  Postby tuco » Aug 09, 2016 5:20 pm

I would guess there are many mating opportunities at cocktail parties.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#99  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2016 6:06 pm

It's usually good manners to leave the party first.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#100  Postby laklak » Aug 09, 2016 6:24 pm

Not at a Hedonist party. Probably even a few Epicurean parties, well, the more liberal ones anyway.
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