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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#101  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2016 7:29 pm

laklak wrote:Not at a Hedonist party.


Yeah, I've, um, seen the documentary. :whistle:
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#102  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Aug 09, 2016 9:46 pm

Is metallurgy worth bothering with? People make knives and stab each other.

Philosophy is a broad topic, covering not only many ways of thinking, but many ways of thinking about thinking. Science is philosophy- this is why scientists have PhDs, or Doctorates of Philosophy. Is science worth bothering with?

The question is stupid, and this thread deserves the ultimate fate that has befallen it.

Now that that's out of the way, I should like to contribute to the thread by asking precisely which documentaries about Hedonist parties I should look for if I wish to broaden my intellectual horizon.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#103  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 09, 2016 9:57 pm

VazScep wrote:To put it glibly, analytic philosophy is what you get when you take language --- that system of mouth noises humans hurl at each other --- way too seriously, and continental is what you get when you take language as something that should be constantly undermined. I'm decidedly in the latter camp.

I dunno. Derrida's deadly serious about being read properly. He was like a broken recorder.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#104  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2016 10:22 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:
Now that that's out of the way, I should like to contribute to the thread by asking precisely which documentaries about Hedonist parties I should look for if I wish to broaden my intellectual horizon.


That's above your pay grade, son. :silenced:
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#105  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Aug 09, 2016 11:06 pm

I should like to request a rise, then. :shifty:
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#106  Postby jamest » Aug 09, 2016 11:21 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:Is science worth bothering with?

We should have a thread about this. Seriously. I'd start it myself, but I'm hoping to keep my gonads intact for a few more months.
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#107  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Aug 09, 2016 11:32 pm

jamest wrote:
ScholasticSpastic wrote:Is science worth bothering with?

We should have a thread about this. Seriously. I'd start it myself, but I'm hoping to keep my gonads intact for a few more months.

Are you having us on, or are you actually blind to the inherent irony of asking this question in an internet forum using a computer?
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#108  Postby jamest » Aug 09, 2016 11:40 pm

ScholasticSpastic wrote:
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ScholasticSpastic wrote:Is science worth bothering with?

We should have a thread about this. Seriously. I'd start it myself, but I'm hoping to keep my gonads intact for a few more months.

Are you having us on, or are you actually blind to the inherent irony of asking this question in an internet forum using a computer?

You think that the quality and meaning of our lives hinges upon whether we have computers? Interesting.

I guess that there was neither quality nor meaning to life until after Turing, then.
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#109  Postby jamest » Aug 09, 2016 11:54 pm

You know, I went in and out of London today by train and used several tube/underground services too. I was genuinely astounded and somewhat concerned by how many people gawk at their phones throughout a journey, completely disinterested in either their fellow passengers or environment.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#110  Postby jamest » Aug 10, 2016 12:24 am

VazScep wrote:
To put it glibly, analytic philosophy is what you get when you take language --- that system of mouth noises humans hurl at each other --- way too seriously, and continental is what you get when you take language as something that should be constantly undermined. I'm decidedly in the latter camp.

Another self-defeating philosophy. Language is shit and undermines philosophy, except of course the [continental] philosophy one arrives at by using the exact-same language.

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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#111  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 10, 2016 12:40 am

I....Nope. I'm backing away. You can't draw me in. I shall take flight from the enchanter.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#112  Postby Fallible » Aug 10, 2016 8:46 am

Hyphens!
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#113  Postby jamest » Aug 10, 2016 8:54 am

You should see your doctor about that.
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#114  Postby Fallible » Aug 10, 2016 9:54 am

Why? Hyphens are a sign used in sentences. I think doctors are more for medical issues.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#115  Postby SpeedOfSound » Aug 10, 2016 10:10 am

VazScep wrote:
SpeedOfSound wrote:I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?
The most classic piece of philosophical analysis is the idea that knowledge is true, justified belief. This isn't how most people use the word "know", but you will find that philosophers will insist that this is the concept (the underlying concept?). That is, until you start talking about Gettier counterexamples, which show that this analysis of knowledge is wrong. That is, until you start doing empirical surveys of people's responses to Gettier cases, and start getting the impression that whether people think it is right or wrong might vary depending on which continent you grew up on.

To put it glibly, analytic philosophy is what you get when you take language --- that system of mouth noises humans hurl at each other --- way too seriously, and continental is what you get when you take language as something that should be constantly undermined. I'm decidedly in the latter camp.


Interesting. I would of thought this was the other way round. When you analyze some meaning it falls to pieces infinitely, hence is not to be taken too seriously. So the analytic undermines.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#116  Postby SpeedOfSound » Aug 10, 2016 10:13 am

jamest wrote:You know, I went in and out of London today by train and used several tube/underground services too. I was genuinely astounded and somewhat concerned by how many people gawk at their phones throughout a journey, completely disinterested in either their fellow passengers or environment.

They aren't really looking at their phones. They are taking pictures of you. :shock:
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#117  Postby VazScep » Aug 10, 2016 12:03 pm

SpeedOfSound wrote:
VazScep wrote:
SpeedOfSound wrote:I don't understand this move against the analytic. Could you explain?
The most classic piece of philosophical analysis is the idea that knowledge is true, justified belief. This isn't how most people use the word "know", but you will find that philosophers will insist that this is the concept (the underlying concept?). That is, until you start talking about Gettier counterexamples, which show that this analysis of knowledge is wrong. That is, until you start doing empirical surveys of people's responses to Gettier cases, and start getting the impression that whether people think it is right or wrong might vary depending on which continent you grew up on.

To put it glibly, analytic philosophy is what you get when you take language --- that system of mouth noises humans hurl at each other --- way too seriously, and continental is what you get when you take language as something that should be constantly undermined. I'm decidedly in the latter camp.


Interesting. I would of thought this was the other way round. When you analyze some meaning it falls to pieces infinitely, hence is not to be taken too seriously. So the analytic undermines.
If you say so. I only go by what professed analytic philosophers say.

I use David Chalmers' writings on the two dimensionality of conceivability as my goto for analytic philosophy at its worst. The more that meaning fractures in Chalmers' analysis, the more he doubles down thinking he's getting closer to bedrock.
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#118  Postby Ven. Kwan Tam Woo » Aug 10, 2016 12:14 pm

Paul1 wrote:
I find I usually don't question things on a philosophical level as much. Basically, if there's no evidence and logic for some given statement, nor some concrete example or experience I can repeat, or some other way of making it real - I tend to think, guiltily, that it's just a waste of time ruminating about it.


What do you mean by "evidence" and "logic"? What is a "concrete" example? What is an "experience", and how precisely and reliably must you be able to repeat it? What is "real"?

Example: What is the nature of existence? My answer: I only care about the evidence, mathematics and what I can experience around me.


Where does your mathematics come from? What assumptions does it rest upon, and why? How do you define one "one" from another? Do you think that empirical evidence and mathematical theorems are interchangeable when it comes to deciding what is "real"? Why/why not?

What can I possibly learn from idly thinking about things I can't even test/calculate/act upon?


What do you mean by "act upon"? For example, if you believe that there is life after death and then modify your day-to-day behavior in accordance with that belief, would you say that you are acting upon that belief?
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#119  Postby VazScep » Aug 10, 2016 12:56 pm

You're taking the piss, right?
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Re: Is philosophy worth bothering with?

#120  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Aug 10, 2016 1:37 pm

jamest wrote:
You think that the quality and meaning of our lives hinges upon whether we have computers?
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Interesting.
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I guess that there was neither quality nor meaning to life until after Turing, then.
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