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Looking or a certain kind of philosopher

#1  Postby dochmbi » Sep 25, 2017 9:34 am

Hey! I wonder if you could help me out. I'm looking for an advocate of a rather brutal philosophy, preferably someone modern, 19th century or newer.

I'd like to know if there's been someone who questions the doctrine of intrinsic human value. That we are all worth something just as individuals. Someone who demands that people work for their survival, someone who insist that the fundamental reason society exists is so that we can help each other survive. This person would probably value practical sciences much higher than humanistic ones like literature and would hate to see resources spent on studying poetry or art history.

They would point to history and nature and show us how tough the situation is that most animals live in and that we too are simply animals and it is natural for us to have to fight for our own survival. They would demand that everybody contribute to society or lose their justification for existence. They would point out that we are a bit distanced from our own survival through our systems of money and markets and police and all the institutions in place, that we have forgotten the raw need to fight against nature for our right to exist.


Is there anybody like this? Would be fun to read some intelligent and eloquent texts like this.
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#2  Postby dochmbi » Sep 25, 2017 9:43 am

Ok so I'm being forced by the state to work and I'm looking for a way to justify it philosophically.
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#3  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 25, 2017 9:55 am

dochmbi wrote:I'd like to know if there's been someone who questions the doctrine of intrinsic human value.


Do you mean, formally?

I'd like to know if you can cite someone who asserts the doctrine of intrinsic human value. Besides, you know, theists. Or their succssors-in-wibble, secular humanists.

dochmbi wrote:Ok so I'm being forced by the state to work and I'm looking for a way to justify it philosophically.


If you want something they have, and they won't give it to you, otherwise? You don't have to justify it philosophically; you only have to justify it with your bank account balance. Or if it's a fine you're being asked to pay. Then you have to question whatever it was you did that earned the fine, and I'm more confident in finding the right philosopher there.
Хлопнут без некролога. -- Серге́й Па́влович Королёв

Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
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