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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#21  Postby Steve » Nov 26, 2011 5:12 pm

It seems to me consciousness at its essence, at least in function, is the splitting of reality into a subject that observes and the objects that are observed. Without this separation there is no awareness, and no consciousness. Reality can never be completely limited to either the subjective or the objective side of the split. It has to embrace them both, at which point the split does not exist, at which point we are no longer conscious.

But we can see that both lie fully latent everywhere. They arise in our human minds according to our human circumstance and it is a struggle to explore the limits of those circumstances. Thanks to science and technology we are able to push those limits, but they are still there.

Finally you realize that all the change happens on the objective side. As you peel away what you think of as your subjective self you find this observer is unchanging and outside of time and space. It is probably just a trick of the mind but even knowing that does not change the experience. And then you realize that the whole point of the split is so we can adapt to the changes that ae happening out there.

But the effort was not wasted. It is only by eliminating the personal blinders regarding the observer that we can truly observe the changes going on around us. It is like perfecting a lens - there is no end to removing the imperfections in curvature, coloration, medium etc. It is an object. As clearly as we see it we can look closer, improve it, then see farther.

My question is why do we even look? How come we are even curious? And I think that goes back to the properties of being a human.

So what is there to be afraid of? Nothing?
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As your will is, so is your deed.
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#22  Postby asdfjkl » Nov 26, 2011 7:45 pm

Bump.
should i be worried about this shit?
I have ocd btw
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#23  Postby asdfjkl » Nov 26, 2011 11:20 pm

another thing is, how can something be not self evident
like when you perceive something you should know what you're perceiving right?
bump plz i need replies.
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#24  Postby asdfjkl » Nov 27, 2011 12:10 am

Imma keep bumping until i get replies.
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#25  Postby the PC apeman » Nov 27, 2011 12:45 am

To be serious and sincere for a moment... If you are not doing so already, professional treatment for OCD is worth considering. Anxiety can be crippling. It can be reduced. Your quality of life will improve.
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#26  Postby jamest » Nov 27, 2011 1:20 am

asdfjkl wrote:Bump.
should i be worried about this shit?
I have ocd btw

Some worry about this shit because they don't want to go to hell. Others worry about it because they want to escape the hell that they find themselves in. In this instance, it pains me to see that your worry is the source of that hell. Please let it go.
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#27  Postby asdfjkl » Nov 27, 2011 5:12 pm

is it possible/reasonable to believe that there are somethings outside of you tho?
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Re: ok one last q about external reality

#28  Postby Steve » Nov 27, 2011 6:14 pm

asdfjkl wrote:is it possible/reasonable to believe that there are somethings outside of you tho?

Where is the boundary?
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#29  Postby the PC apeman » Nov 27, 2011 8:05 pm

Steve wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:is it possible/reasonable to believe that there are somethings outside of you tho?

Where is the boundary?

Exactly. asdfjkl, you are having problems answering your own questions because you don't define your own terms. If you examine your words and questions better the answers are easier.
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