OK one last question

asdfjkl · #1 by **asdfjkl** » Jan 12, 2012 12:19 am

OK how could you hypothesize about anything non-self-evident.
self-evident means you have direct access to something.
So if you get access to something non-self-evident wouldn't it then make it self-evident?

jamest · #2 by **jamest** » Jan 12, 2012 12:21 am

asdfjkl wrote:OK how could you hypothesize about anything non-self-evident.
self-evident means you have direct access to something.
So if you get access to something non-self-evident wouldn't it then make it self-evident?

Welcome back. Whatever you do, do NOT bump the thread!

asdfjkl · #3 by **asdfjkl** » Jan 12, 2012 2:04 am

ok I won't.
But how do I get more people to reply???

sennekuyl · #4 by **sennekuyl** » Jan 12, 2012 2:18 am

Ask questions people are interested in.

the PC apeman · #5 by **the PC apeman** » Jan 12, 2012 4:55 am

Engage with what people are saying to you. Answer their questions directly and fully.

sennekuyl · #6 by **sennekuyl** » Jan 12, 2012 5:30 am

Ooo that was way better than mine! Well said the PC apeman.

(Have we kept your thread near the top for long enough asdfjkl?)

asdfjkl · #7 by **asdfjkl** » Jan 12, 2012 9:33 pm

alrite but still
no one ever answers real qs

MacIver · #8 by **MacIver** » Jan 13, 2012 1:21 am

Capitalising and at least an attempt at proper spelling, grammar and punctuation helps too. This isn't a text session or a teenage message board.

Also, try and give examples as your questions are pretty damn vague.

OK how could you hypothesize about anything non-self-evident.
self-evident means you have direct access to something.
So if you get access to something non-self-evident wouldn't it then make it self-evident?

Self evident doesn't mean something you have direct access too. Self evident means something which is self evident, something which is obvious to one's self. And as such it is a entirely relative term.

You can hypothesise on anything, weather it is obvious to you or not.

logical bob · #9 by **logical bob** » Jan 13, 2012 1:57 pm

asdfjkl wrote:alrite but still
no one ever answers real qs

You started the problem of induction thread, which is now on page 20 and contains some damned interesting posts. What's lacking in the answers there?

jamest · **#10** by **jamest** » Jan 13, 2012 3:42 pm

logical bob wrote:
asdfjkl wrote:alrite but still
no one ever answers real qs

You started the problem of induction thread, which is now on page 20 and contains some damned interesting posts. What's lacking in the answers there?

To be fair, he asked about induction in relation to solipsism; but everybody ignored that - except me, of course.

jamest · **#11** by **jamest** » Jan 13, 2012 3:46 pm

asdfjkl wrote:OK how could you hypothesize about anything non-self-evident.
self-evident means you have direct access to something.
So if you get access to something non-self-evident wouldn't it then make it self-evident?

What is self-evident? From my own perspective, nothing is except for the base sensations which are then discerned to be 'things'. In other words, it's not self-evident that things exist or that you are directly observing things.

Ihavenofingerprints · **#12** by **Ihavenofingerprints** » Jan 13, 2012 4:01 pm

"How could you hypothesize about anything non-self-evident."

Ask yourself this tomorrow morning when you decide to leave your house using the front door, instead of jumping through a glass window, or leaping off the rooftop.

asdfjkl · **#13** by **asdfjkl** » Jan 14, 2012 7:34 pm

how would u know you have access to smthng if it isn't self evident

matt8819 · **#14** by **matt8819** » Jan 14, 2012 7:56 pm

asdfjkl wrote:how would u know you have access to smthng if it isn't self evident

Is punctuation self evident? Evidently not.

crank · **#15** by **crank** » Jan 14, 2012 11:33 pm

I have access to my septic tank, but I don't know if it is self-evident or not, you want me to go ask it?

Ihavenofingerprints · **#16** by **Ihavenofingerprints** » Jan 15, 2012 6:44 am

asdfjkl wrote:how would u know you have access to smthng if it isn't self evident

Look. Humans are just apes. We don't have access to any "perfect/self evident" 100% certainty. We are just animals with a body that has evolved with one goal in mind, reproduction.

You are no more special than a dog or cat. Do they have access to self evident truths? No... Well why do you think we do?

We are just running around this earth responding to the environment around us like all the other creatures. Our brains are programmed to respond to the environment in a way which helps us survive and pass on our genes. People without this ability die out and don't pass on their genes.

Does this confuse you or something?

Perfect, or "self evident" knowledge is a just a made up concept. You didn't come to the conclusion that it exists through observation, you are just pretending it exists and asking us how we make decisions without consulting it.

If you can't grasp this information or refute what I've had to say. Stop posting here.

asdfjkl · **#17** by **asdfjkl** » Jan 15, 2012 5:28 pm

but if something isn't self-evident you can't be sure about it?
so how can you be sure there can be something that isn't self evident?

Cito di Pense · **#18** by **Cito di Pense** » Jan 15, 2012 7:30 pm

asdfjkl wrote:but if something isn't self-evident you can't be sure about it?
so how can you be sure there can be something that isn't self evident?

Tell me something: Why is being sure of something such a big deal? Does it, um, bend the spoon?

Being 'sure of something' is pretty subjective when you get right down to it. What's really valuable is to get lots of other people to (say they) agree with you, even if it's bullshit, which is how religion works.

The difficulty is in getting other people to agree with you that something is self-evident.

Usually what people say is "It is evident to me that you are screwed." Even if it was evident to you that you are screwed, it still would not be self-evident that you are screwed.

asdfjkl · **#19** by **asdfjkl** » Jan 15, 2012 8:56 pm

like how do u know thoughts correspond to reality
and are not meaningless

matt8819 · **#20** by **matt8819** » Jan 15, 2012 9:01 pm

asdfjkl wrote:like how do u know thoughts correspond to reality
and are not meaningless

Yay real words!

We know our thoughts correspond to reality because most of us gave up on solipsism when we were 12.