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asdfjkl wrote:but really were there other ppl w/ exact same thoughts?
LucidFlight wrote:Maybe one thinks one is thinking about non-self-evident things when in actual fact they are thinking about an abstract representation of the non-self-evident thing — which in itself may be non-self-evident other than the fact that you're thinking about them and, as such, they are self-evident at the time, but only as an abstract and self-evident representation of the non-self-evident thing you thought you were thinking about, in which case, it's not entirely self-evident that one is thinking self-evidentially about something possibly completely removed, evidentially-speaking, from the non-self-evident thing in itself about which one initially though they were evidently thinking about.
asdfjkl wrote:ok one thing which rly sometimes freaks me out and makes me solipsistic is how you can't deny the self evident.
so sometimes it seems like the proposition "something other than the self-evident exists" is just as ludicrous as "something that is self-evident doesn't exist" such as denial of existence of self.
anyone get this ever?
jamest wrote:asdfjkl wrote:ok one thing which rly sometimes freaks me out and makes me solipsistic is how you can't deny the self evident.
so sometimes it seems like the proposition "something other than the self-evident exists" is just as ludicrous as "something that is self-evident doesn't exist" such as denial of existence of self.
anyone get this ever?
What's 'self evident' is open to debate, since the observation of something doesn't equate to the reality of that thing itself. That is self-evident... to reason.
You keep going on about self-evidence as though observation were the key to existential knowledge. It's not, so where does that leave your 'self evidence'?
asdfjkl wrote:jamest wrote:asdfjkl wrote:ok one thing which rly sometimes freaks me out and makes me solipsistic is how you can't deny the self evident.
so sometimes it seems like the proposition "something other than the self-evident exists" is just as ludicrous as "something that is self-evident doesn't exist" such as denial of existence of self.
anyone get this ever?
What's 'self evident' is open to debate, since the observation of something doesn't equate to the reality of that thing itself. That is self-evident... to reason.
You keep going on about self-evidence as though observation were the key to existential knowledge. It's not, so where does that leave your 'self evidence'?
but with solipsism reality of the thing=observation of the thing
so no extra non self evident elements/things
wouldnt that be simplest?
asdfjkl wrote:but it would be also possible that the pencil is bent in the water and not bent out of it.
still it seems possible to limit everything just to self-evident.
would the def. of existence be self evidence then?
asdfjkl wrote:i know that it is more "reasonable" to believe in external world.
but on the other hand it seems that when you say "x exists" such as "the keyboard exists" you base it on how you can use the keyboard to type, etc, which is all direct perception
if you can't directly perceive/readily say something exists would that mean it doesnt?
because you dont have access to it anyway?
asdfjkl wrote:bump
is my arguement supreme?
asdfjkl wrote:what i mean that if observation is the only reality.
would that be true?
asdfjkl wrote:what i mean that if observation is the only reality.
would that be true?
is my arguement supreme?
asdfjkl wrote:but really aren't you worried about solipsism and shit???
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