pl0bs wrote:Eliminative materialists are free to deny that consciousness exists. They just have to accept a little collateral damage, that science doesnt exist either.

What do you mean by 'science exist'?

What would?
(also could you reply on other thread plz)

I don't know, probably nothing. As far as I see it, Solipsism in any form doesn't explain anything. So I think Occam's Razor doesn't lead to solipsism. It leads to something more like realism.

No, I can't do it asdfjkl... I'm sorry. It's a hypothesis that some cosmologists came up with, but no one believes it, because it's not a practical hypothesis. I postulate that it might be somewhat self-refuting, but I stick with the answer that it's just not a practical answer.

Which has also led me to prefer alternative theories on the origin of the universe such as cyclical (my favourite), and m-theory.

So you're saying my basis for solipsism is based on Occam's Razor?

Many world interpretation?

Nope, I thought I'd just add that to the conversation. It just popped into my head again. The question, does Occams Razor lead you to temporal solipsism - to which I would say no - I hope!

Nope - if you want to guess more I may decide to tell you. I just feel bad cos I don't like giving people spikes when I can avoid it.

You can solve all your issues about solipsism by admitting you can't even prove that you (yourself) exist. You can't know for-sure that you exist, just like you can't know for-sure that stuff around you exists.

Each time you question the existence of reality, question your own sanity first. Maybe you don't even exist to ask whether or not reality exists, the universe began 0.0000000000000001 second ago and will end in 0.0000000000000000000000000001 seconds, all your supposed experiences are just an illusion, well not even an illusion because they don't, and never will exist.

Seriously though, if you didn't understand after the first 500 threads, why the fuck do you think this one will be any different? If you can't give a good answer to that, then maybe you aren't intelligent enough to understand the hundreds of serious answers already given to you on this forum.

To think that I don't exist (eg cogito ergo sum is false) is just ridiculous as I clearly exist.

And the idea that you can't be sure if the universe existed at a point before you did is also fucken stupid.

Something has to exist. I don't know how the self-doubt works, but apparently you can doubt the "I" in cogito ergo sum, to come to an conclusion - Something thinks, therefore exists.

I don't understand that fully, cos I just define the "I" different in that case to not be the thinker in the scenario, but the experiencer, making it: I experience, therefore I exist.

let's see this path to knowledge

I exist + perceptions exist -> induction -> axiom based on induction -> perceived knowledge ~> (truth)?

OK, this is the root of my problem, and the reason why I'm worried about the whole "evident" thing.
Things that are evident (you and your perceptions) irrefutably exist. We've discussed this and came to this consensus. An example here: you see a white rectangle. The image of the rectangle is directly perceived by you (you can see it) and it clearly exists, in other words it's THERE. Now take something like an "external reality". You can't see it, you can't sense it, it doesn't clearly exist, in other words it's NOT THERE. This leads to: only the things that are evident (you have direct access to) are THERE. Everything else clearly does not clearly exist. This is what really scares me, and I've had this issue for 3-4 months now.

[*]OK, this is the root of my problem, and the reason why I'm worried about the whole "evident" thing.
Things that are evident (you and your perceptions) irrefutably exist. We've discussed this and came to this consensus. An example here: you see a white rectangle. The image of the rectangle is directly perceived by you (you can see it) and it clearly exists, in other words it's THERE. Now take something like an "external reality". You can't see it, you can't sense it, it doesn't clearly exist, in other words it's NOT THERE. This leads to: only the things that are evident (you have direct access to) are THERE. Everything else clearly does not clearly exist. This is what really scares me, and I've had this issue for 3-4 months now.

Any thoughts?

The title says "Solipsism...(tied to other thread)".

What other thread? This is the only thread.

New bar's open. Where's Campermon when you need him?