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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#61  Postby cyghost » Apr 20, 2019 9:54 am

LucidFlight wrote:To quote myself:
LucidFlight wrote:Even the Faceless Men have their own culture.


Essentially, they are trained assassins, but their culture is like a club where they learn to become a chameleon. Of course, they come and they go. Every day for them is like survival. They come and go, they come and go. Have you read Gould and Greene?

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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#62  Postby Fallible » Apr 20, 2019 10:18 am

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You don't dislike people anyway, you dislike their characteristics, generally. I reside within the same boat and I'm here informing you that those characteristics are generally a consequence of the mental disease derived from a particular culture.

Yes … you belong to a relatively exclusive culture. So what are the characteristics of your mental disease?

I reside within no circle. I'm completely alone. Therefore, effectively 'cultureless'.

I mean, who else other than a cultureless individual could have made the OP?


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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#63  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am

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I kinda missed this, stopped reading after .. I studied Anthropology undergraduate and was obliged to do a Social Anthropology unit each year. For the 3rd year, the unit was incredibly tough; .. but since it got the thumbs it got me interested what so valuable is there worth the "likes" and after reading it I have to say absolutely nothing. Zero information on the topic, and on top of it pseudo-analysis of jamest comment.


Looks like someone's feeling left out in the shitposting rankings.

As is very common, tuco, you've failed to understand the post. That's fine. I would certainly fare much worse in your language.

However, you failing to catch information is not the same as there being no information.

But I did enjoy the notion that what drives your interest is thumbs up. Wrong forum for that though, and it would anyway be pseudo-analysis, assuming that means what I think it means.


tuco wrote:Obviously, they haven't thought you during your undergraduate certain things, like overlooking non-essentials and focusing on the subject at hand.


They didn't think me anything.

They also didn't teach me to do whatever it is you've suddenly decided is important, not least because that's not how classes at any level work.

Rather, I did focus on the subject at hand: namely jamest's inane declaration of being free from culture unlike the unthinking masses and how far removed from reality that is. Culture is a complex notion that we all possess, but which few of us have ever really given serious thought to.

As for overlooking non-essentials, were that necessary, then firstly I'd not have replied to the OP, and secondly I wouldn't have replied to you.

Try harder next time.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#64  Postby Spinozasgalt » Apr 20, 2019 11:49 am

jamest wrote:
Spinozasgalt wrote:How do we know you're not just answering from your culture?

Because 'my' culture is white/English/British, and nothing I see therein can be responsible for me parroting the OP.

I think you've misunderstood. How do we know you're not just answering from your culture? Your personal awareness of what cultural influences are operating on your views is too thin a counter when the risk is just that such influences can be subtle enough to escape a person's notice.

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Spinozasgalt wrote:This project of unshackling the individual from precedent or exterior constraints by means of questioning and philosophy goes back at least as far as Descartes. And it continues on into individualist liberalism and libertarianism and, insofar as these philosophies have filtered down through our cultural machineries and left their residues on our popular and inherited cultures, they seem likewise to have left their residues here.

The only time I ever studied philosophy was to acquire my OU degree wherein for the most part I had to study materialistic/physicalist explanations for everything. I have no affiliation/connection/interest to/in philosophical circles. I.e., there is no philosophical culture pulling my strings.

In other words, I'm pulling my own strings.

If you confine philosophical influence to formal study, you'll have difficulty explaining how anyone here lacking such study could encounter such influence. We have no reason to think philosophy's influence is discrete in this way; it's clearly influenced film, literature, politics, and so on. And because of such influence, the residue of the type I described is possible. But more to the point, you've just deflected from the harder problem I put to you by losing track of the terms of your own OP. Recall: "Cultural brainwashing of all types/kinds gets in the way. We're all slaves from the onset to the incessant chatter specific to our own time/place." Your own stated view at the start of the thread is that cultural influence is a much more pervasive threat than you characterise it in your reply to me.

Despite your complaint here that no one has addressed your original post with sincerity, it seems you've just failed to take my question seriously.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#65  Postby tuco » Apr 20, 2019 12:04 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
tuco wrote:
I kinda missed this, stopped reading after .. I studied Anthropology undergraduate and was obliged to do a Social Anthropology unit each year. For the 3rd year, the unit was incredibly tough; .. but since it got the thumbs it got me interested what so valuable is there worth the "likes" and after reading it I have to say absolutely nothing. Zero information on the topic, and on top of it pseudo-analysis of jamest comment.


Looks like someone's feeling left out in the shitposting rankings.

As is very common, tuco, you've failed to understand the post. That's fine. I would certainly fare much worse in your language.

However, you failing to catch information is not the same as there being no information.

But I did enjoy the notion that what drives your interest is thumbs up. Wrong forum for that though, and it would anyway be pseudo-analysis, assuming that means what I think it means.


tuco wrote:Obviously, they haven't thought you during your undergraduate certain things, like overlooking non-essentials and focusing on the subject at hand.


They didn't think me anything.

They also didn't teach me to do whatever it is you've suddenly decided is important, not least because that's not how classes at any level work.

Rather, I did focus on the subject at hand: namely jamest's inane declaration of being free from culture unlike the unthinking masses and how far removed from reality that is. Culture is a complex notion that we all possess, but which few of us have ever really given serious thought to.

As for overlooking non-essentials, were that necessary, then firstly I'd not have replied to the OP, and secondly I wouldn't have replied to you.

Try harder next time.


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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#66  Postby Fallible » Apr 20, 2019 12:06 pm

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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#67  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 20, 2019 12:10 pm

tuco wrote:lol



It's the way I tell 'em.

I'll set up a Patreon account if you want to express your gratitude for comedy?
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#68  Postby tuco » Apr 20, 2019 12:16 pm

Actually, I am done with you so whatever.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#69  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Apr 20, 2019 12:23 pm

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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#70  Postby tuco » Apr 20, 2019 12:40 pm

Too late. "It" started on page one already and required moderator's intervention. That is the culture here.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#71  Postby Fallible » Apr 20, 2019 12:46 pm

Go bang your drum in your playthread.
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#72  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 20, 2019 1:23 pm

tuco wrote:Actually, I am done with you so whatever.



You are done with me?

Tuco, get over yourself, there's a good chap.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#73  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 20, 2019 1:25 pm

tuco wrote:Too late. "It" started on page one already and required moderator's intervention. That is the culture here.



Perhaps you should take some responsibility by changing yourself if you expect to see change in others. Remember; you're part of that culture too.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#74  Postby romansh » Apr 20, 2019 4:38 pm

It's the culture of non-existent people that is the problem.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#75  Postby jamest » Apr 20, 2019 10:11 pm

romansh wrote:It's the culture of non-existent people that is the problem.

You have a hard time understanding and/or accepting that people do not exist, so it seems. Yet the fundamental message of my philosophy is that you DO exist, but not as a person. Surely you and the rest of the readers here comprehend this easily understandable notion?

For an existing entity who falsely concludes that "I am human", any consequential culture is folly.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#76  Postby jamest » Apr 20, 2019 10:29 pm

Fallible wrote:
jamest wrote:
romansh wrote:
jamest wrote:
You don't dislike people anyway, you dislike their characteristics, generally. I reside within the same boat and I'm here informing you that those characteristics are generally a consequence of the mental disease derived from a particular culture.

Yes … you belong to a relatively exclusive culture. So what are the characteristics of your mental disease?

I reside within no circle. I'm completely alone. Therefore, effectively 'cultureless'.

I mean, who else other than a cultureless individual could have made the OP?


Don't you have a wife and two kids?

On page 2 in post 30 I said this:
I didn't proclaim that I was cultureless. After all, I'm English/British/white and the child of a catholic father and protestant mother. North of England, heart of the industrial revolution, brainwashed into being a supporter of one of the most famous football clubs on the planet. Etc..

What I'm saying to you is that at some point in the recent past I saw what a load of bollocks those cultural prisms were in my assessment of 'me'.

I've been fully immersed within a particular culture for the whole of my life, but what I'm saying is that I now realise this/any human culture is folly, a disease responsible for all of our social woes. In that sense, my mind has been able to transcend any wisdom imbued upon me by said culture in reaching these conclusions and is therefore able to think 'culturelessly'. In that sense alone - being able to think beyond those parameters which culture enables - I am cultureless. Regardless of whether I have a family.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#77  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 20, 2019 10:36 pm

jamest wrote:
romansh wrote:It's the culture of non-existent people that is the problem.

You have a hard time understanding and/or accepting that people do not exist, so it seems. Yet the fundamental message of my philosophy is that you DO exist, but not as a person. Surely you and the rest of the readers here comprehend this easily understandable notion?

For an existing entity who falsely concludes that "I am human", any consequential culture is folly.


So you've said on many occasions, jamest, with only your say-so that the way things seem is positively not the way they are. For your sake, I do hope you're right, because if the way you are is anything like the way you seem, you in a heap o' trouble, bwah.

jamest wrote:I now realise this/any human culture is folly, a disease responsible for all of our social woes.... Regardless of whether I have a family.


These social woes are a blessing in disguise, James. They give us something to shoot for. Barring that, they give us something to shoot at. If everything were perfect, it would be fucking boring, especially for all those folks who can't think of anything better to do than rant about all these social woes.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#78  Postby jamest » Apr 20, 2019 10:57 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
jamest wrote:
romansh wrote:It's the culture of non-existent people that is the problem.

You have a hard time understanding and/or accepting that people do not exist, so it seems. Yet the fundamental message of my philosophy is that you DO exist, but not as a person. Surely you and the rest of the readers here comprehend this easily understandable notion?

For an existing entity who falsely concludes that "I am human", any consequential culture is folly.


So you've said on many occasions, jamest, with only your say-so that the way things seem is positively not the way they are. For your sake, I do hope you're right, because if the way you are is anything like the way you seem, you in a heap o' trouble, bwah.

The world and its people are all fucked, yet you're informing me that I'm in trouble for wanting no part of that shite. Go figure.

jamest wrote:I now realise this/any human culture is folly, a disease responsible for all of our social woes.... Regardless of whether I have a family.


These social woes are a blessing in disguise, James. They give us something to shoot for. Barring that, they give us something to shoot at. If everything were perfect, it would be fucking boring, especially for all those folks who can't think of anything better to do than rant about all these social woes.

To be constantly shooting for something, as we do (even the rich), is indicative of a fundamental poverty. To be constantly shooting at something, as we do, is indicative of a fundamental fear.

So, for you life would be fucking boring unless haunted by the perpetual feelings of poverty and fear. Go figure. Or, alternatively, have a word with your fundamentals and perhaps then revise your need to shoot for/at anything. Then, maybe, you'll have acknowledged the disease within your mind and can make steps to heal thyself.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#79  Postby SafeAsMilk » Apr 21, 2019 1:00 am

jamest wrote:
I've been fully immersed within a particular culture for the whole of my life, but what I'm saying is that I now realise this/any human culture is folly, a disease responsible for all of our social woes. In that sense, my mind has been able to transcend any wisdom imbued upon me by said culture in reaching these conclusions and is therefore able to think 'culturelessly'. In that sense alone - being able to think beyond those parameters which culture enables - I am cultureless. Regardless of whether I have a family.

You claim to be thinking culturelessly, but you look like entirely a product of your culture, especially your wish to be cultureless. At least punk had the self-awareness to realize that turning a critical eye to culture is itself a culture.

I know you think your particular beliefs being unusual makes them special, but it doesn't, as I've explained to you before. You're still just one of an unending list of people who believe something outlandish and ridiculous, if only for the sake of being able to pat yourself on the back for believing something outlandish and ridiculous. Dime a dozen since the dawn of time.
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Re: The mental disease of 'culture'.

#80  Postby laklak » Apr 21, 2019 1:23 am

If it looks like a human, walks like a human, and talks like a human, it's probably a human. Or at least human enough for government work. What difference does it make if they actually exist as independent entities, or are a figment of the Universal Mind playing some sort of masturbatory game? Try telling a cop they don't exist. Shit, try telling your wife she doesn't exist. It's like the old "matter is 99% empty space" bullshit. Not really bullshit, because it IS mostly empty nothing, but if someone cracks you on the head with a 2x4 you'll swear up and down it's solid as fuck, assuming they don't hit you hard enough to send you back to meld with the Universal Whatsis.
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