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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#21  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 1:09 pm

LucidFlight wrote:I want to know what President Trump is having for dinner tonight.

Cooked to shit steak with ketchup.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#22  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jun 02, 2017 1:24 pm

I actually eat my steaks well done and with tomato sauce. It's why I've kinda kept my head down about all that stuff. :shifty:
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#23  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 2:15 pm

Spinozasgalt wrote:I actually eat my steaks well done and with tomato sauce. It's why I've kinda kept my head down about all that stuff. :shifty:

Do you cook the steak to shit then dump tomato sauce on it? Or do you actually cook it in the tomato sauce? Because that sounds more like a braise.
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#24  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jun 02, 2017 2:40 pm

The former.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#25  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 3:06 pm

Well, I tried. You're just a heathen, I guess. Using tomato sauce instead of ketchup does count for something though. Unless it's just a bottle of Ragu...
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#26  Postby Rumraket » Jun 02, 2017 3:59 pm

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jamest wrote:We aspire to know everything, whether that be about the universe, ourselves, God, history, biology, anything. We want to know everything. Anything. We've even become experts in bullshit and bullshitting. Hence politics and crime.

Why is this? Is the will to absolute knowledge merely feeding our will to have absolute power? And why do we aspire to have either?

Of course, as most of you know I'm an idealist who thinks that God is expressed primarily through man, so I personally already have answers to these questions. I was just curious what the average atheist felt about the matter.

Knowledge is conducive to survival and reproduction. That is about as much a fact I think is needed to explain why we have a tendency to seek it.

What's conducive to survival and reproduction doesn't suffice as a reason for why we have those abilities in the first place, you numpty. It only suffices to explain why those abilities are useful. Have a fucking word.

Of course they don't. I presumed here, mistakenly I concede, that my hypothetical interlocutor had enough of a grasp of basic evolutionary theory.
That this person would be aware that things like desire, instinct and overall behavioral tendencies are empirically demonstrated evolving attributes. And that at a deeper molecular level, their origin owes to the fact that genetic mutations in the developmental programs that produce brain-tissues in turn are the materialistic causes of those very instinctive behaviors.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#27  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 02, 2017 4:04 pm

jamest wrote:Is the will to absolute knowledge merely feeding our will to have absolute power?


No, what's feeding that is the will to absolute trollage.
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Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#28  Postby jamest » Jun 02, 2017 8:52 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
jamest wrote:Is the will to absolute knowledge merely feeding our will to have absolute power?


No, what's feeding that is the will to absolute trollage.

At least I've gotten you to concede on the will front, apparently, dear Sir.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#29  Postby newolder » Jun 02, 2017 8:56 pm

Knowledge is a verb now? :scratch: Otherwise, how does one translate the topic title into plain English?
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#30  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 9:11 pm

I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#31  Postby jamest » Jun 02, 2017 9:18 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.

You're like a naughty kid. I think I like you, but don't expect a hug.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#32  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 02, 2017 9:27 pm

Your black sphere has evolved to a purple parallel.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#33  Postby jamest » Jun 02, 2017 9:33 pm

You should leave Holland, Thomas. That shit you're smoking is doing your skull in.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#34  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 9:59 pm

jamest wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.

You're like a naughty kid. I think I like you, but don't expect a hug.

That's nice. So are you going to try to formulate the OP into a coherent idea, or will this thread just go D.O.A. like all the others you start and then immediately abandon?
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#35  Postby jamest » Jun 02, 2017 10:40 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
jamest wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.

You're like a naughty kid. I think I like you, but don't expect a hug.

That's nice. So are you going to try to formulate the OP into a coherent idea, or will this thread just go D.O.A. like all the others you start and then immediately abandon?

Formulate? As in proving that I have a degree, or as in proving that I can talk like a robot?

eta: let's face it, if I talked like a robot you wouldn't participate in my threads. ;)

... which is why philosophy turns most people off, let's be honest.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#36  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 02, 2017 10:56 pm

jamest wrote:You should leave Holland, Thomas. That shit you're smoking is doing your skull in.

Since I don't live in Holland and am not even consuming alcohol anymore, this post, besides being personalised, is missing it's mark by a galaxy and a half.*


*I've never even smoked tobacco let alone drugs and have no desire of doing so either.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#37  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 02, 2017 10:58 pm

jamest wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:
jamest wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.

You're like a naughty kid. I think I like you, but don't expect a hug.

That's nice. So are you going to try to formulate the OP into a coherent idea, or will this thread just go D.O.A. like all the others you start and then immediately abandon?

Formulate? As in proving that I have a degree, or as in proving that I can talk like a robot?

Neither has anything to do with SAM's question.

jamest wrote:
eta: let's face it, if I talked like a robot you wouldn't participate in my threads. ;)

Again, you're introducing this 'talk like a robot' into the discussion.
So unless you're intentionally trying to straw-man the post you're quoting, I fail to see the point you're making.

jamest wrote:... which is why philosophy turns most people off, let's be honest.

Like the other assertions you made in this thread, this one carries no more weight, less even since it doesn't even compute. (Pun intended)
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#38  Postby jamest » Jun 02, 2017 11:32 pm

I've changed my mind, Thomas. You should stay in Holland and start partaking of the various shit on offer there. Anything which might lighten you up. Anything. Because you remind me of a robot devoid of the usual abilites of a robot. And I like you Thomas, so do your best to review this post as advice as opposed to scorn. Sincerely. I mean, I'm aware you have problems, so please don't think that I'm having a go. I do actually have a heart, to the extent that I overlook rational incompetence when it comes to having a dig at me. I mean, I've just told safeasmilk that I like him, for heaven's sake. And he's beyond all hope, so get a grip squire. He's definitely not having a hug, but you can have one. :hug:

Reject that as you wish, Sir. But you need it. All safeasmilk needs is a good shafting, but he's living in cloud-cuckoo land if he thinks that our relationship is heading that way. The best I can offer him is a badger I happen to have in my freezer with a deformed nose. But he makes me laugh, so I'm reluctant to fuck his life up like that. Well, semi-reluctant.
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#39  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jun 02, 2017 11:45 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:Well, I tried. You're just a heathen, I guess. Using tomato sauce instead of ketchup does count for something though. Unless it's just a bottle of Ragu...

I'm trying to change. I've admitted to my peers that I have a problem. :waah:
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Re: The Will to Knowledge

#40  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jun 02, 2017 11:49 pm

jamest wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:
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SafeAsMilk wrote:I think "The Know to Willage" would have been more clear.

You're like a naughty kid. I think I like you, but don't expect a hug.

That's nice. So are you going to try to formulate the OP into a coherent idea, or will this thread just go D.O.A. like all the others you start and then immediately abandon?

Formulate? As in proving that I have a degree, or as in proving that I can talk like a robot?

Heck, I'd be satisfied if you'd prove you can talk like someone who's got even the most basic grasp of philosophy, degree or no.


eta: let's face it, if I talked like a robot you wouldn't participate in my threads. ;)

... which is why philosophy turns most people off, let's be honest.

The kind of philosophy that turns most people off is the useless kind, the sort that's filled with deepity over substance, vapid declarations propped up by groundless presuppositions. Your philosophy is a singular example of this, and that's what keeps me coming back every time.
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