John Platko wrote:Would be best if the neuroscience did their own

So, uh, you don't think neuroscience is going to figure this out, do you? I still don't see the difference between wishing and praying. Maybe you can clarify.

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:Would be best if the neuroscience did their own

So, uh, you don't think neuroscience is going to figure this out, do you? I still don't see the difference between wishing and praying. Maybe you can clarify.

If I prayed for neuroscience to figure it out it would probably just be me wishing.

If a neuroscientist prayed to figure it out - and did all the other stuff you really need to do to fill your mind with the knowledge to figure something like that out then it would probably being praying - or meditating, or self talk. Or a Dirac walk in the woods or a bit of climb up a mountain or a Feynman gaze at flesh swinging around a pole and bongo beat or two. Get the difference?

John Platko wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:Would be best if the neuroscience did their own

So, uh, you don't think neuroscience is going to figure this out, do you? I still don't see the difference between wishing and praying. Maybe you can clarify.

If I prayed for neuroscience to figure it out it would probably just be me wishing.

If a neuroscientist prayed to figure it out - and did all the other stuff you really need to do to fill your mind with the knowledge to figure something like that out then it would probably being praying - or meditating, or self talk. Or a Dirac walk in the woods or a bit of climb up a mountain or a Feynman gaze at flesh swinging around a pole and bongo beat or two. Get the difference?

Perhaps the point here is the different kinds of problems there are to solve. When you write "did all the other stuff you really need to do", nobody knows what it would look like if they did that, so for a neuroscientist working on that problem, a walk in the woods will end on a note of daydreaming. Or praying, which is what you do when you don't know whether to shit or go blind. What I call that is 'despair'. It would be, anyway, if the neuroscientist had a problem anything like that of the circuit designer.

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:Would be best if the neuroscience did their own

So, uh, you don't think neuroscience is going to figure this out, do you? I still don't see the difference between wishing and praying. Maybe you can clarify.

If I prayed for neuroscience to figure it out it would probably just be me wishing.

If a neuroscientist prayed to figure it out - and did all the other stuff you really need to do to fill your mind with the knowledge to figure something like that out then it would probably being praying - or meditating, or self talk. Or a Dirac walk in the woods or a bit of climb up a mountain or a Feynman gaze at flesh swinging around a pole and bongo beat or two. Get the difference?

Perhaps the point here is the different kinds of problems there are to solve. When you write "did all the other stuff you really need to do", nobody knows what it would look like if they did that, so for a neuroscientist working on that problem, a walk in the woods will end on a note of daydreaming. Or praying, which is what you do when you don't know whether to shit or go blind. What I call that is 'despair'. It would be, anyway, if the neuroscientist had a problem anything like that of the circuit designer.

The go blind seems to apply more in the Feynman scenario, I hear too much flesh and too much bongo beating can do that sort of thing.

John Platko wrote:

archibald wrote::picard:

Hey Star Trek is useful after all.

Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rigs true to you?

Best typo in the thread and the most truthful thing John Platko has written.

felltoearth wrote:

John Platko wrote:

archibald wrote::picard:

Hey Star Trek is useful after all.

Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rigs true to you?

Best typo in the thread and the most truthful thing John Platko has written.

It is a good one. Especially since it's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.

John Platko wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

John Platko wrote:

archibald wrote::picard:

Hey Star Trek is useful after all.

Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rigs true to you?

Best typo in the thread and the most truthful thing John Platko has written.

It is a good one. Especially since it's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.

Texas Sharpshooters all the way down.

felltoearth wrote:

John Platko wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

John Platko wrote:

Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rigs true to you?

Best typo in the thread and the most truthful thing John Platko has written.

It is a good one. Especially since it's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.

Texas Sharpshooters all the way down.

Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rings true to you?

Loaded question.

John Platko wrote:
Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rings true to you?

Rational?

romansh wrote:

John Platko wrote:
Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rings true to you?

Rational?

Not much of an explanation. It's not even as useful as saying an angel told me so.

So god is the mother of invention?

RS

A rig is a semiring.

VazScep wrote:A rig is a semiring.

I prefer not to have the negative elements in my religion.

Fallible wrote:Loaded question.

I saw what you did there.

felltoearth wrote:

Fallible wrote:Loaded question.

I saw what you did there.

Maybe no ideas just pop into your head.

John Platko wrote:

romansh wrote:

John Platko wrote:
Well what form of explanation do you use to describe when some idea that you couldn't consciously work out, or didn't even think about, just pops into your head and rings true to you?

Rational?

Not much of an explanation.

You did not ask for an explanation ... just its form.

He's begging the question that an idea just pops into your head with nothing leading up to it. It's just another claim he can't hope to substantiate, but which he will no doubt enjoy swaddling in layers of unrelated bluff and waffle which he can later pretend is the missing substantiation, and then gaslight other people with. SSDD.

Fallible wrote:He's begging the question that an idea just pops into your head with nothing leading up to it. It's just another claim he can't hope to substantiate, but which he will no doubt enjoy swaddling in layers of unrelated bluff and waffle which he can later pretend is the missing substantiation, and then gaslight other people with. SSDD.

First time around, I missed the second-last punctuation and thought you were talking about 'people with SSDD'. What's that? I thought. Suggestible Self-Diagnostic Disorder? I had to look up the SSDD meme, which turns out to be something some people have in spades.

John is talking about the part of the idea that is uniquely creative and yours alone. It's Special Sauce, with a twist. I'm not disagreeing with you. But: How exactly could anyone substantiate such claims? See the latest thread on "Bullshit".

Fallible wrote:He's begging the question that an idea just pops into your head with nothing leading up to it.

Not nothing. Angelsjp. The only thing john is begging is for someone to talk with him about them.