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If you had to choose, when you burn the Mona Lisa or a live dog?

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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#61  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 27, 2018 7:11 am

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Isn't the most primitive lifeform more precious and unique than the very greatest work of art, even though its existence may be extremely fleeting?


Who gets to decide? It's a plebiscite, not a proof. I don't mind if it's a plebiscite, but this isn't mental exercise.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#62  Postby Mike_L » Sep 27, 2018 8:35 am

To me, the Mona Lisa looks like a portrait of a witch.
A dog might just be a witch's familiar. They usually are, in my experience.
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But seriously...

Spare the dog unless it's one of those @*x#@x-ing things that barks day-in and day-out.
The Mona Lisa is vastly overrated. It's a little thing (compared to, say, Botticelli's La Primavera).
And in terms of composition, the Mona Lisa is nothing spectacular. Some of the portraits done by the much-overlooked Domenico Ghirlandaio are at least as good.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#63  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 27, 2018 9:34 am

The wonders of hype. Very disappointed when I saw it. Strangely I was alone in front of it. Monday mornings in those days was the time to visit an art gallery.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#64  Postby zulumoose » Sep 27, 2018 10:04 am

Judging by the listed dimensions of the piece, her face is about 10-12cm in height, the famous smile could just about fit sideways in a matchbox.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#65  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 27, 2018 10:23 am

It is tiny and sits in a glass security case which does not help its visibility. A postcard in the shop gives a better view. Yep you wonder what all the fuss is about.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#66  Postby Mike_L » Sep 27, 2018 11:32 am

It nicely showcases Leonardo's 'sfumato' technique -- but, beyond that, it's rather unexceptional, IMO. And one could ask whether or not the sfumato technique is really all that special. It was a novelty at the time, being a feature made possible by then-new medium of oil paint. The swift-drying egg-tempera paints (that had been the main medium for panel paintings up to that time) typically produced paintings with sharply defined edges (as in Sandro Botticelli's works, for instance). It's a matter of opinion as to whether or not 'sfumato' produces a "better" painting. It could be argued, for example, that a lot of textural detail is eliminated in that soft-focus look.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#67  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 27, 2018 11:38 am

Give me Botticelli any time. I saw it in Florence. Stunning in real life.
I used to do egg-tempera painting together with calligraphy. It was very satisfying in comparison to oils.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#68  Postby Rumraket » Sep 27, 2018 5:02 pm

There are pictures of the mona lisa everywhere. In burning it it wouldn't even be lost. And it can't suffer. I would burn all the worlds art before I burned a dog alive.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#69  Postby TopCat » Sep 27, 2018 11:21 pm

Rumraket wrote:There are pictures of the mona lisa everywhere. In burning it it wouldn't even be lost. And it can't suffer. I would burn all the worlds art before I burned a dog alive.

I'm not sure about this myself. If it was a nasty, vicious dog, I might not be bothered if it burned to death, at least not for long.

What about a hamster? All the world's art for a hamster? A squirrel? A vole? What about a snake? A maggot?

All the world's art for a <insert animal>. Rather than "oo I'd never burn a dog", what would you burn to save all the world's art?

Curious where people would draw the line.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#70  Postby laklak » Sep 28, 2018 2:04 pm

Mosquitoes, ticks, flies, sea cucumbers, oysters, clams, I'm sure there are a few more. Some humans. But not furry cute things.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#71  Postby Hermit » Sep 28, 2018 2:13 pm

I'd unhesitatingly throw a calf on the fire instead of the painting. I'd kill it first, of course, as humanely as possible. Mhhhh. Veal.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#72  Postby Sendraks » Sep 28, 2018 2:48 pm

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I'm not sure about this myself. If it was a nasty, vicious dog, I might not be bothered if it burned to death, at least not for long.


How would you verify it was a nasty vicious dog?
Sure it might be barking at you and trying to attack you but, that'd not be atypical behaviour for an animal fearing for its life.

Dog's don't get nasty and vicious by themselves.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#73  Postby The_Metatron » Sep 28, 2018 3:25 pm

The uselessness of such “polls” is evident here. Invariably, they try to narrow widely held values to a single choice. Either this, or that.

Since the world is so rarely binary, of what use are the replies to this poll?
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#74  Postby TopCat » Sep 28, 2018 3:36 pm

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TopCat wrote:
I'm not sure about this myself. If it was a nasty, vicious dog, I might not be bothered if it burned to death, at least not for long.


How would you verify it was a nasty vicious dog?

I'm not saying I could. But I can imagine that if I'd had enough subjective evidence that it was dangerous and would take a lot of effort to rehabilitate, I would think that it would be better off no longer existing, and certainly not worth destroying all the world's art to preserve.

I wouldn't enjoy it burning, but I certainly wouldn't go as far as some, and weigh its value as greater than all the world's art. I don't know about the Mona Lisa on its own, I don't like it much.
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#75  Postby laklak » Sep 28, 2018 3:39 pm

The Mona Lisa is a sexist piece of patriarchal shit painted by an old white dude. He's dressed her in a burka thing and won't even let her smile. Fuck him, BURN IT!
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#76  Postby The_Metatron » Sep 28, 2018 4:03 pm

If I remember well, you have to go down a hallway that may be 400 meters long, covered with paintings from floor to ceiling, many of which are superior, before you finally get to the disappointment that is the Mona Lisa.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#77  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 28, 2018 4:08 pm

The_Metatron wrote:The uselessness of such “polls” is evident here. Invariably, they try to narrow widely held values to a single choice. Either this, or that.

Since the world is so rarely binary, of what use are the replies to this poll?


But that is the mentality of people setting these rubbish polls. This is not a choice. You could say; if you had the choice of shooting Trump or a dog which would you choose?
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#78  Postby BlackBart » Sep 28, 2018 4:09 pm

I suspect that would be a very smug looking dog.
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#79  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 28, 2018 4:11 pm

Well so long it was not a redneck.
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Re: Would you burn the Mona Lisa or a dog?

#80  Postby Hermit » Sep 28, 2018 4:37 pm

BlackBart wrote:I suspect that would be a very smug looking dog.

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