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Existence of New Element Confirmed

#1  Postby the_5th_ape » Aug 28, 2013 5:48 pm

An international team of researchers, led by physicists from Lund University, has confirmed the existence of what is considered a new element with atomic number 115. The experiment was conducted at the GSI research facility in Germany. The results confirm earlier measurements performed by research groups in Russia.

By bombarding a thin film of americium with calcium ions, the research team was able to measure photons in connection with the new element’s alpha decay. Certain energies of the photons agreed with the expected energies for X-ray radiation, which is a ‘fingerprint’ of a given element.

The new super-heavy element has yet to be named.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 091636.htm
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#2  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 28, 2013 5:53 pm

Without reading the article, I'm predicting a half-life of less than a second.

EDIT: no half-life mentioned. :(
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#3  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 28, 2013 5:58 pm

Temporary name is ununpentium.

It has been unofficially observed since 2003 but has just been officially confirmed. More details on the wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpentium

Half life is estimated to be ~200 ms. I win a cookie.

The 'pent' in the name meaning 5 I'm guessing refers to its having 5 electrons in the outermost shell, but the wiki page doesn't specify.

Its electron shell:
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#4  Postby Sityl » Aug 28, 2013 7:54 pm

The amount of "it's not a real element if it was only in a lab" comments on huffington post made me have a sad.
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#5  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 28, 2013 7:57 pm

Sityl wrote:The amount of "it's not a real element if it was only in a lab" comments on huffington post made me have a sad.


That is quite an ignorant statement (Huffington's not yours) since they are most likely produced in supernovae. Can't get more natural than that.

It is very rare to produce something in a lab that nature doesn't already produce or has already produced.
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#6  Postby Sityl » Aug 28, 2013 7:58 pm

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
Sityl wrote:The amount of "it's not a real element if it was only in a lab" comments on huffington post made me have a sad.


That is quite an ignorant statement (Huffington's not yours) since they are most likely produced in supernovae. Can't get more natural than that.


I did see one reply which stated that, but alas, every other post was about how it's not "really" an element. :P They probably read plato or something.
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#7  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 28, 2013 8:08 pm

Sityl wrote:
CdesignProponentsist wrote:
Sityl wrote:The amount of "it's not a real element if it was only in a lab" comments on huffington post made me have a sad.


That is quite an ignorant statement (Huffington's not yours) since they are most likely produced in supernovae. Can't get more natural than that.


I did see one reply which stated that, but alas, every other post was about how it's not "really" an element. :P They probably read plato or something.


Is their argument that it isn't stable?

If so then plutonium falls under that same category which are the transuranic elements. I don't see why they should not be declassified as elements when they are already distinguished from other elements. They are still real and still have real chemistry albeit a very short lived opportunity to react with anything.
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#8  Postby Sityl » Aug 28, 2013 8:22 pm

I think the thought is that it is "invented," and there fore "unnatural," which just boils down to a no true scotsman fallacy.
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#9  Postby Calilasseia » Aug 28, 2013 8:31 pm

The funny part about this, is that element 116 has been named - Livermorium. Apparently it was easier to synthesise element 116 in the laboratory than element 115, which has something to do with the proposed "island of stability" among heavy nuclei with certain numbers of protons and neutrons. The stablest nuclei are those whose numbers of protons and neutrons equate to complete "nuclear shells" of each particle. Courtesy of the rather intricate quantum mechanical calculations involved, the numbers in question form a rather interesting sequence.

Elements with nucleon numbers closest to those special values enjoy extra stability. It's possible that some of the isotopes of these elements will have half-lives measured in seconds or even minutes, as opposed to milliseconds.
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#10  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Aug 28, 2013 11:40 pm

Sityl wrote:I think the thought is that it is "invented," and there fore "unnatural," which just boils down to a no true scotsman fallacy.


Which is still retarded, because it wasn't invented. It's the natural and inevitable conclusion of physical laws, not the brainchild of some tinkerer. It is also a forgone conclusion that nature has already produced the stuff and you would also have to say the same for plutonium, which I've never heard anyone ever claim plutonium isn't an element.

Again, I understand this isn't your opinion, not arguing with you :D
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Re: Existence of New Element Confirmed

#11  Postby klazmon » Aug 29, 2013 12:04 am

The wikipedia on ununpentium article suggests that element 115 may have isotopes that are more stable than those produced so far. The problem being that more neutrons are needed to reach a "magic number" filled shell scenario.

Wikipedia wrote:All the reported above isotopes of element 115, obtained by nuclear collisions of lighter nuclei, are severely neutron-deficient, because the proportion of neutrons to protons needed for maximum stability increases with atomic number. The most stable isotope will probably be 299Uup, with 184 neutrons, a known "magic" closed-shell number conferring exceptional stability, making it (with one further proton outside the "magic number" of 114 protons) both the chemical and the nuclear homolog of 209Bi; but the technology required to add the required neutrons presently does not exist. This is because no known combination of target and projectile can result in the required neutrons. It has been suggested[by whom?] that such a neutron-rich isotope could be formed by quasifission (fusion followed by fission) of a massive nucleus, multi-nucleon transfer reactions in collisions of actinide nuclei, or by the alpha decay of a massive nucleus (although this would depend on the stability of the parent nuclei towards spontaneous fission).
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