Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#121  Postby Arnold Layne » Mar 19, 2014 9:46 pm

Aca wrote:Here, Ken Ham, armed with the only book that matters, shows that its all bollocks in few short lines, so hold on to your gravitational horses :lol:



http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... een-proved


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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#122  Postby Pulsar » Mar 19, 2014 10:05 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:Jesus Christ!! :pray:

FIFY
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#123  Postby ElDiablo » Mar 19, 2014 10:13 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:
Aca wrote:Here, Ken Ham, armed with the only book that matters, shows that its all bollocks in few short lines, so hold on to your gravitational horses :lol:



http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... een-proved


Jesus Christ!! :picard:


Such a compelling falsification of the Big Bang and Inflation.

Biblical creationists know from Scripture that the universe did not begin in a big bang billions of years ago.
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#124  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Mar 19, 2014 10:30 pm

This new discover has allowed us to actually witness God!



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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#125  Postby Pulsar » Mar 19, 2014 10:33 pm

Nice short interview with Carroll, who is as always right to the point:



Edit: there's also an accompanying blog post:
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2014/03/19/a-great-time-for-reason-and-science/

His last paragraph is worthy of a sig:
Sean Carroll wrote:Science is a dialogue between the free play of ideas — theorizing — and the harsh constraints of empiricism — experimental data. Theories are a lever, data are a fulcrum, and between them we can move the world.

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#126  Postby ElDiablo » Mar 20, 2014 12:30 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:This new discover has allowed us to actually witness God!



...searching for a new gap to crawl into.


I thought he'd be a bit fatter.
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#127  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Mar 20, 2014 4:49 am

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CdesignProponentsist wrote:This new discover has allowed us to actually witness God!



...searching for a new gap to crawl into.


I thought he'd be a bit fatter.


He's having to slim down these days. These holes are starting to get really fucking small.
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#128  Postby ElDiablo » Mar 20, 2014 1:08 pm

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
ElDiablo wrote:
CdesignProponentsist wrote:This new discover has allowed us to actually witness God!



...searching for a new gap to crawl into.


I thought he'd be a bit fatter.


He's having to slim down these days. These holes are starting to get really fucking small.

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#129  Postby Arnold Layne » Mar 20, 2014 4:36 pm

Pulsar wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:Jesus Christ!! :pray:

FIFY

How dare you! :lol:
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#130  Postby Animavore » Mar 20, 2014 9:39 pm

God's not happy.

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#131  Postby hackenslash » Mar 20, 2014 9:43 pm

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#132  Postby Calilasseia » Mar 21, 2014 2:44 am

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Reeve wrote:I wonder if this will make Roger Penrose's cosmological model more testable. I seem to remember that his cyclic one was crucially dependent on gravitational waves with the predictions it made.

Ditto for Steinhardt & Turok's model.



Stephen Hawking claims victory in gravitational wave bet

Stephen Hawking has claimed victory in a bet with a fellow scientist over the discovery of primordial gravitational waves, ripples in the structure of space-time from the birth of the universe.

The Cambridge cosmologist bet Neil Turok, director of the Perimeter Institute in Canada, that gravitational waves from the first fleeting moments after the big bang would be detected.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Hawking said the discovery of gravitational waves, announced on Monday by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, disproves Turok's theory that the universe cycles endlessly from one big bang to another.

If confirmed by other groups, the discovery would count as the strongest evidence yet for cosmic inflation, a theory which says that the universe went through a period of extremely rapid expansion soon after the big bang. The theory explains why the universe looks almost the same in every direction.

"It is another confirmation of inflation," Hawking told the Today programme. "It also means I win a bet with Neil Turok, director of the Perimeter Institute in Canada, for cyclic universe theory predicts no gravitational waves from the early universe."

But Turok was not ready to concede just yet. He told the programme that the bet rested on results from the European Space Agency's Planck space telescope, which last year failed to spot any signs of gravitational waves.

continues: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/mar/18/stephen-hawking-gravitational-wave-bet-big-bang


Er, according to the two papers by Steinhardt & Turok I presented in multiple places here, observations of gravity waves are actually a crucial test in a different manner. According to those papers, what matters is the spectrum of observed gravity waves. My understanding from those papers, is that if gravity waves were never detected, this would be a far bigger blow to the ekpyrotic model. The detection of gravity waves, according to those papers, is actually necessary in order to test the theory.
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#133  Postby twistor59 » Mar 21, 2014 7:56 am

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Er, according to the two papers by Steinhardt & Turok I presented in multiple places here, observations of gravity waves are actually a crucial test in a different manner. According to those papers, what matters is the spectrum of observed gravity waves. My understanding from those papers, is that if gravity waves were never detected, this would be a far bigger blow to the ekpyrotic model. The detection of gravity waves, according to those papers, is actually necessary in order to test the theory.


Unfortunately it's not just the existence of primordial gravitational radiation, but the statistical properties of this radiation predicted by the ekpyrotic models which would appear to have been invalidated, as Motl explains:

http://motls.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/bicep2-some-winners-and-losers.html
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#134  Postby hackenslash » Mar 21, 2014 9:16 am

Cheers [/b]twist[/b], that confirms what I had originally thought.
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#135  Postby kennyc » Mar 23, 2014 1:04 pm

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#136  Postby Pulsar » Mar 24, 2014 12:04 am

Jim Carrey has been talking about this on Conan, 4 years ago. WTF! :lol:
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#137  Postby Made of Stars » Mar 25, 2014 10:54 am

Cosmologists have published a paper casting nasturtiums on the BICEP2 findings, as reported in Universe Today.

I like the reporter's closing remark:

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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#138  Postby hackenslash » Mar 25, 2014 12:31 pm

Good article, as it the paper itself, which can be downloaded from HERE (pdf).
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Re: Harvard-Smithsonian B-Mode observation confirmed

#139  Postby Pulsar » Mar 25, 2014 1:13 pm

The main (technical) talk from the BICEP2 team can be seen here:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/pao/Bicep2_sci_con.mp4
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#140  Postby Pulsar » Mar 31, 2014 4:33 pm

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