Negative mass particles created in WSU experiment

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Re: Negative mass particles created in WSU experiment

#21  Postby twistor59 » May 03, 2017 7:28 pm

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Re: Negative mass particles created in WSU experiment

#22  Postby Rumraket » May 03, 2017 8:16 pm

So in a gravitational field, these would move away from the centre of mass?
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#23  Postby newolder » May 04, 2017 12:53 pm

crank wrote:I wish I had the citation handy, I think it was newolder who posted it, a piece on fields and how virtual particles are not really particles, the fields are entirely different. They sorta act/appear like particles but fundamentally are a different beast.

Now that I've discovered how to search through my browser history... I think this is the link you are trying to remember:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/ ... particles/
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#24  Postby CdesignProponentsist » May 04, 2017 2:44 pm

Rumraket wrote:So in a gravitational field, these would move away from the centre of mass?


If I understand Hawking radiation correctly, it is the tidal force that would cause the virtual particles to move away from their mutual center of mass,where one would pass the event horizon, the other no longer having a shared center of mass would itself become a real particle (or positive mass). The other would reduce the mass of the black hole. The smaller the black hole, the stronger the tidal forces near the event horizon and the stronger the effect.
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Re: Negative mass particles created in WSU experiment

#25  Postby DavidMcC » May 07, 2017 11:02 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
Rumraket wrote:So in a gravitational field, these would move away from the centre of mass?


If I understand Hawking radiation correctly, it is the tidal force that would cause the virtual particles to move away from their mutual center of mass,where one would pass the event horizon, the other no longer having a shared center of mass would itself become a real particle (or positive mass). The other would reduce the mass of the black hole. The smaller the black hole, the stronger the tidal forces near the event horizon and the stronger the effect.

The way I see it, Hawking radiation is CAUSED by the tidal force that separates the two "virtual particles", but it is not the tidal force itself.
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