These thoughts just came to came to me and wanted to share.

If we imagine wave 2 dimensionaly we have



3 dimensionaly



Now if wave and particles supposedly behave the same way, couldnt we imagine this to be a particle in orbit around something else?

The way I understand it, it's neither particle nor wave. It's something that has aspects of both particle and wave, but we have no proper name for it, since there's nothing we can compare it to in the "middle sized world" we're familiar with.

If it's a particle in orbit around something else, what is it in orbit around?
And how do you explain the wave aspects, such as in the double slit experiment?

They're mathematical descriptions of objects we cannot possibly imagine.

Now, "shut up and calculate"

campermon wrote:They're mathematical descriptions of objects we cannot possibly imagine.

Now, "shut up and calculate"

Not only but also a spring isn't the only three-dimensional shape which would look like a wavy line in two dimensions. And also very few orbits look like springs if extended forward and backward in time.

The coining of the word 'wavicle' pretty much sums up our incomprehension on this matter.

Maybe a bit over the top....puzzlement perhaps a better choice. Work in progress

wispastic wrote:These thoughts just came to came to me and wanted to share.

If we imagine wave 2 dimensionaly we have



3 dimensionaly



Now if wave and particles supposedly behave the same way, couldnt we imagine this to be a particle in orbit around something else?

This is not the correct way to visualise a wave-packet, wispastic. Here is a good way. Note that the individual frequency components are non-localised (ie, extend indefinitely), yet the net function (the combination of all the frequency components) IS localised, to some extent.

Indeed, this is work in progress. As suggested by Cito di Pense here, Ill go back to high school physics, as Im dying to apply all your suggestions and comments to my thinking although I lack the mathematical knowledge to do so. Cheers!

wispastic wrote:Indeed, this is work in progress. As suggested by Cito di Pense here, Ill go back to high school physics, as Im dying to apply all your suggestions and comments to my thinking although I lack the mathematical knowledge to do so. Cheers!

I suggest that you start by dropping the helical spring analogy, it is misleading, IMO.

No no no, not a spring, a GYRE!

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1

here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

Coastal wrote:here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

"Blake to Liberator: have Zen set the teleport coordinates to pseudoscience...."

twistor59 wrote:

Coastal wrote:here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

"Blake to Liberator: have Zen set the teleport coordinates to pseudoscience...."

It's just a bit of a laugh. Read through the paper though.

twistor59 wrote:

Coastal wrote:here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

"Blake to Liberator: have Zen set the teleport coordinates to pseudoscience...."

How did you know that I'm working my way through the Blake's 7 box set?

campermon wrote:

twistor59 wrote:

Coastal wrote:here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

"Blake to Liberator: have Zen set the teleport coordinates to pseudoscience...."

How did you know that I'm working my way through the Blake's 7 box set?

I don't know, but funnily enough I've been watching them in sequence on youtube over the last few weeks. Just started season 3.... (now Jenna - free )

twistor59 wrote:

campermon wrote:

twistor59 wrote:

Coastal wrote:here's the full paper:

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1/htm

"Blake to Liberator: have Zen set the teleport coordinates to pseudoscience...."

How did you know that I'm working my way through the Blake's 7 box set?

I don't know, but funnily enough I've been watching them in sequence on youtube over the last few weeks. Just started season 3.... (now Jenna - free )

Me too!

Up to episode 6 on series 1...

Coastal wrote:No no no, not a spring, a GYRE!

http://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/2/1/1

A GYRO!

Nope, that a Hero. That is what we call it in SA. I've seen different spellings in a few different countries. It's actually quite amusing.

There is a cartoon which tells us the situation
http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/gall ... hys2d.php# (Row 2, Column 2)
“Everything we thought was a wave is really a particle, and everything we thought was a particle is really a wave.”

That actually seems to be the reality...

ChurchofPhysics wrote:There is a cartoon which tells us the situation
http://www.sciencecartoonsplus.com/gall ... hys2d.php# (Row 2, Column 2)
“Everything we thought was a wave is really a particle, and everything we thought was a particle is really a wave.”

That actually seems to be the reality...

Correction:
“Everything we thought was a wave is really also a particle, and everything we thought was a particle is really also a wave.”
It's called "wave-particle duality", and it's standard physics.