strangest smart idea :reverse causality

cavarka9 · #1 by **cavarka9** » Dec 07, 2011 1:48 pm

http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/01 ... the-future

A series of quantum experiments shows that measurements performed in the future can influence the present. Does that mean the universe has a destiny—and the laws of physics pull us inexorably toward our prewritten fate?

Jeff Tollaksen may well believe he was destined to be here at this point in time. We’re on a boat in the Atlantic, and it’s not a pleasant trip. The torrential rain obscures the otherwise majestic backdrop of the volcanic Azorean islands, and the choppy waters are causing the boat to lurch. The rough sea has little effect on Tollaksen, barely bringing color to his Nordic complexion. This is second nature to him; he grew up around boats. Everyone would agree that events in his past have prepared him for today’s excursion. But Tollaksen and his colleagues are investigating a far stranger possibility: It may be not only his past that has led him here today, but his future as well.

Tollaksen’s group is looking into the notion that time might flow backward, allowing the future to influence the past. By extension, the universe might have a destiny that reaches back and conspires with the past to bring the present into view. On a cosmic scale, this idea could help explain how life arose in the universe against tremendous odds. On a personal scale, it may make us question whether fate is pulling us forward and whether we have free will...

adding to this comment from twister
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/physi ... l#p1098133

!	GENERAL MODNOTE Edited to shorten the quote to 200 words which is permissible under fair use. Darkchilde

cavarka9 · #2 by **cavarka9** » Dec 07, 2011 1:55 pm

Joe09 · #3 by **Joe09** » Dec 09, 2011 1:16 am

omfg his handwriting is terrible

cavarka9 · #4 by **cavarka9** » Dec 09, 2011 3:19 am

I expected more than that comment :roll:

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trubble76 · #5 by **trubble76** » Dec 13, 2011 12:21 pm

What a fascinating article. That's going to boggle my little mind all day.

cavarka9 · #6 by **cavarka9** » Dec 13, 2011 12:56 pm

it could be true, most of the new physics turns up in areas which we have taken for granted but never bothered to look closely and nobody questions causality being something which starts from the past to present and not from the future to present, or the result of past and future resulting in present.

RationalVegan · #7 by **RationalVegan** » Dec 13, 2011 7:19 pm

I really hope this is true. Deterministic Universe > Random Anarchism.
Just like Idealism fell a long time ago, Non-Determinism will have to follow (eventually). It is one of those many concepts that just seem to regain stength, when all that really happens is weaker and weaker inflation executed by humans.

1. Determinism can only be broken by humans as they have free will, which also as a side effect makes them gods ultimate creation.
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2. Determinism must be wrong because there is free will in beings.
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3. Free will is probably wrong, but determinism still is wrong.

It does get more and more minocre.

Pulsar · #8 by **Pulsar** » Dec 13, 2011 7:30 pm

How does the Second Law of Thermodynamics fit into this? (I haven't watched the video).

twistor59 · #9 by **twistor59** » Dec 13, 2011 9:02 pm

Some info here:

TSQM provides a complete description of a quantum-system
at a given moment by using two-wavefunctions, one evolving from the past
towards the future (the one utilized in the standard paradigm) and a second
one, evolving from the future towards the past.
While TSQM is a new conceptual point-of-view that has predicted novel,
verified effects which seem impossible according to standard QM, TSQM is
in fact a re-formulation of QM. Therefore, experiments cannot prove TSQM
over QM (or vice-versa).