Jireh wrote:

archibald wrote:1. Who created the creator?

nobody. he always existed.

Jireh wrote:

2. Why would the creator of a rather hazardous universe like ours, with so much apparently unnecessary suffering, be worth worshiping, even if he existed?

before i answer your question , please answer this question first : since it seems you are concerned about this issue, what do YOU do to diminish the suffering in the world ?

Jireh wrote:

stijndeloose wrote:

Jireh wrote:if you are not satisfied with my answer, why do you not stop asking......??

Because you haven't actually answered the question.

ok, fine with me, if you think so.

Jireh wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Jireh wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:


Biology, Chemistry, Physics.

where did it come from ?

Biology came from Chemistry. Chemistry came from physics. Physics came from the cooling of the previously hot, dense state of the universe immediately prior to expansion. It's all energy at the end of the day, and energy is everywhere.

and where did the energy come from ? it could not have existed eternally.....

Jireh wrote:http://www.debate.org/debates/The-Kalam-Cosmological-Argument-for-the-Existence-of-God-is-Sound/1/

Jireh wrote:

The KCA is formulated as follows:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause

Jireh wrote:

2. The universe began to exist

Jireh wrote:

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause

Jireh wrote:

OlivierK wrote:

Jireh wrote:the light transmits patterns of colour and light. not codified information. Codified information is represented by written words, computer codes, and DNA triplets.

Jireh, what, to you, is the essential distinguishing characteristic between patterns of colour and light and patterns of A, C, G, and T that leads you to observe codification in one, but not the other?

http://www.yourgenome.org/dgg/general/code/code_1.shtml

DNA's code is written in only four 'letters', called A, C, T and G. The meaning of this code lies in the sequence of the letters A, T, C and G in the same way that the meaning of a word lies in the sequence of alphabet letters. Your cells read the DNA sequence to make chemicals that your body needs to survive.

are they called letters, or patterns ?

Spearthrower wrote:

Jireh wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Jireh wrote:

where did it come from ?

Biology came from Chemistry. Chemistry came from physics. Physics came from the cooling of the previously hot, dense state of the universe immediately prior to expansion. It's all energy at the end of the day, and energy is everywhere.

and where did the energy come from ? it could not have existed eternally.....

Bare-arsed assertion.

Energy is a damn sight more likely to exist eternally than your god. For a start, god would have needed energy to do anything. So before your god existed, energy did.

And if you make the utterly idiotic claim that god always existed, then you just show that your argument is bankrupt.

Calilasseia wrote:

Watchman wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen ... I see you are enjoying yourselves playing with Jireh (Angelo)

This is just to point you to the fact that all your responses to his "copied & pasted" arguments and statements have been made already (and in several languages).
(I see you've already noticed his arguments are not actually his arguments at all ).
I urge you to check out the following links from his own website...
http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t12-for ... stians-etc

http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t11-eng ... n-the-past

Angelo has been at this for some considerable time... see below ... he even warrants his own "monitoring team".

http://clubecetico.org/forum/index.php?topic=21584.0

Just in case any one was actually expecting a genuine debate.

PS. the lists of websites he has hit can prove quite useful if you are looking to expand your experience of Scepticism or Atheism.

Several of us have known about him since he hit the Richard Dawkins Forums 3 years ago. We've also known about his vanity forum for some time. However, I wasn't aware he'd been so prolific at spamming rationalist forums. I suspect some other people here will be interested in this ...

chairman bill wrote:Once more, Jireh, if you're there

chairman bill wrote:Just one question, Jireh. Please answer it.

chairman bill wrote:Jireh
I accept that my point-by-point reply to your 'wall of block capital text' post might have included rather too many questions for you to answer. So I'll just reiterate the one here, in hope that you'll answer it. Here goes.

chairman bill wrote:REALLY? Oops! Sorry. Really? The evidence is overwhelming? Yet a few pages ago you wrote,
So if the evidence is by its very nature, ambiguous, how can it be overwhelming? Please explain this discrepancy.

Edit: typo

Agrippina wrote:I don't think Jireh is Angelo/Angelo.

Agrippina wrote:I don't think Jireh is Angelo/Angelo.

Jireh wrote:

Bribase wrote:Meh.

Not that I don't appreciate the intelligence, Watchman. But Whether or not his "evidences" are copied and pasted or simply written once and used to spam various forums isn't very important. What is important is whether or not these arguments stand up to scutiny.

Jireh, there have been several criticisms of your arguments for the existence of your god so far on the thread. It's time for you to either refute these criticisms or concede that your "evidences" are not valid.

The ball is in your court, Jireh.

Instead of following up the criticisms of your proofs with accusations of us being "Blind to the truth", show is how our citicisms are flawed. We explained why we have grave doubts in the soundness of your argument. Ignoring our criticisms simply makes you a guilty of the hypocrisy that you accused us of. We explained why the arguments are flawed, ignoring our critcism makes you, not us guilty of ignoring whatever goes against what you wish to be true.

I have not posted my arguments, with the intent to answer to all criticism. It was not me, opening this thread. I dont have neither time to answer all objections accurately at ones........

OlivierK wrote:

Agrippina wrote:I don't think Jireh is Angelo/Angelo.

Jireh definitely isn't the angelo here on RS, but he's Angelo elsewhere and has a different name here because Angelo was already taken.

Jireh wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:

What does this prove?

It doesnt proove anything, is howeve more powerful evidence of God. How otherwise could it be explained by a unguided random forces , or evolution ?

http://hight3ch.com/fibonacci-sequence- ... print-god/

OlivierK wrote:

But if you want to convince me that your assertion that DNA patterns are the product of a mind, then you need to back that up, but you - as you admit - are not capable of that, so I'm left with my current understanding, which is far more coherent than the wishful thinking bollocks that you're spouting.