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Sam Parnia – the man who could bring you back from the dead

#1  Postby trubble76 » Apr 08, 2013 10:35 am

Sam Parnia MD has a highly sought after medical speciality: resurrection. His patients can be dead for several hours before they are restored to their former selves, with decades of life ahead of them.

Parnia is head of intensive care at the Stony Brook University Hospital in New York. If you'd had a cardiac arrest at Parnia's hospital last year and undergone resuscitation, you would have had a 33% chance of being brought back from death. In an average American hospital, that figure would have fallen to 16% and (though the data is patchy) roughly the same, or less, if your heart were to have stopped beating in a British hospital.

By a conservative extrapolation, Parnia believes the relatively cheap and straightforward methods he uses to restore vital processes could save up to 40,000 American lives a year and maybe 10,000 British ones. Not surprisingly Parnia, who was trained in the UK and moved to the US in 2005, is frustrated that the medical establishment seems slow and reluctant to listen to these figures. He has written a book in the hope of spreading the word.


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#2  Postby chairman bill » Apr 08, 2013 10:38 am

Wasn't he a member here some time ago?
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Spooky stuff ....3 hours dead and ...now?? read on

#3  Postby Macdoc » Apr 09, 2013 10:24 am

Sam Parnia – the man who could bring you back from the dead
This British doctor specialises in resurrection and insists outdated resuscitation techniques are squandering lives that could be saved

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/ ... rus-effect

Kinda hard to argue he does not have the chops to tell us to rethink a bit....but what?????
disturbing from a guy with this level of experience and understanding.....

I put it here to try and get a rational discussion on both the implications of the resus protocols and secondarily about his descriptions of patient experiences and his thoughts on it. :scratch:

While the resus is not too much of a surprise ....and good to see some changes coming...

The other aspect is extremely thought provoking. No woo with this guy....it's all science...but science we apparently don't yet understand. :coffee:

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#4  Postby chairman bill » Apr 09, 2013 10:25 am

He was a member here, and I'm pretty sure there's already a thread on this
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Re: Spooky stuff ....3 hours dead and ...now?? read on

#5  Postby Macdoc » Apr 09, 2013 10:27 am

Could be
The article is just out on the 6th and think it should be in this section hopefully with a decent conversation.

On the resus side there was cool program about a guy in Las Vegas who was drowned for at least 45 minutes in his jeep upside down in a near freezing stream...they only found him when they pulled the jeep out....
A specialized machine that happened to be in the area to gradually warm him and he came back successfully.

I know kids have that diving reflex but this was a young adult.

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The "dead" and still experiencing aspect is very disconcerting coming from someone like him.

I can only speculate a low level subconscious recording system continues in some way that may then be pieced back from Bayesian brain data comparisons.
Hypnotists might tap into some similar aspects teasing out recorded but not accessible information. Strange aspect and I'm very impressed with the brain's plasticity and capabilities that we do not yet know the extent of. ( savants for instance )>
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#6  Postby epete » Apr 09, 2013 10:33 am

I haven't read the article yet, but resuscitation is a fascinating concept. Well, more precisely, the concept of "dead" is a fascinating concept in light of the advances in medical technology that extend the time after which a person can be resuscitated without much noticeable brain damage. I guess we are probably at the limit, as without oxygen (and in the absence of some cryogenic type state) the brain can't survive without damage past about 6 minutes (or whatever it actually is).
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Re: Spooky stuff ....3 hours dead and ...now?? read on

#7  Postby Macdoc » Apr 09, 2013 10:36 am

You read the article and change your mind on that. On the title - she was 3 hours dead, 6 hours in resus...and currently having a baby. :what:
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#8  Postby epete » Apr 09, 2013 10:37 am

Jeezus! I'll have a read of that ASAP.
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#9  Postby jerome » Apr 11, 2013 9:35 am

Sam Parnia head of the AWARE NDE research project is a member here??? Never knew that. I saw this a while back via the SMN and SPR sites. Not seen the video yet, but I'll have to watch this.

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#10  Postby chairman bill » Apr 11, 2013 10:01 am

Thinking about it (always worth doing at some point), maybe it was Parisetti mentioning him in a thread some while back
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#11  Postby Jumbo » Apr 11, 2013 10:14 am

I know kids have that diving reflex but this was a young adult.

The reflex is present in all mammals including human adults. Its just stronger usually in kids. Immersing your face in cold water triggers the reflex even in adults. Its one of the things that helps free divers dive to such depths unaided by oxygen especially at sea.
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#12  Postby DavidMcC » May 13, 2013 1:15 pm

A couple of points:
1. I note that "death" is effectively defined in the Guardian article as being cardiac arrest, instead of the usual brain death.
2. The figures for success rate make no mention of the delay between cardiac arrest and the beginning of resusc. attempts. This does not seem sensible.
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#13  Postby chairman bill » May 13, 2013 1:20 pm

I think death is best viewed as a process, as well as a state. We have 'dead, but revivable', 'dead but revivable, but also with enough cell-damage to notice', and 'dead, and fucking well staying that way, thank you very much'.
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#14  Postby Scar » May 13, 2013 1:23 pm

chairman bill wrote:I think death is best viewed as a process, as well as a state. We have 'dead, but revivable', 'dead but revivable, but also with enough cell-damage to notice', and 'dead, and fucking well staying that way, thank you very much'.


Well no. We have dead and dying, the latter being reversable, I'd say.
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#15  Postby Thommo » May 13, 2013 1:29 pm

The science and medical side of this is very interesting. I'm a lot less impressed with the mystical window dressing.

Is it surprising that as long as the brain still functions and is oxygenated memories are still produced to some extent? How does this suggest that memory may not be neuronal?
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#16  Postby epete » May 13, 2013 1:41 pm

Well I eventually read the article, and it is as David points out. It's not death as in everything has ceased. They are only being revived after hours because of (e)cpr.
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