Darwinsbulldog wrote:So, 11 million lies and counting. One wonders how badly a company has to act before it is de-registered and it's assets seized...

mattthomas wrote:The company has done nothing wrong, the people running the company have. The people running the show should be put away for a stretch.

Tenacious Tubbs wrote:

mattthomas wrote:The company has done nothing wrong, the people running the company have. The people running the show should be put away for a stretch.

I'd agree with that, they should face a court and any appropriate sentencing.

I know you didn't suggest it, but whether or not they knew or had a hand in it is irrelevant - directors are responsible for how their company operates. That's one of the reasons they're paid so much!

mattthomas wrote:

Tenacious Tubbs wrote:

mattthomas wrote:The company has done nothing wrong, the people running the company have. The people running the show should be put away for a stretch.

I'd agree with that, they should face a court and any appropriate sentencing.

I know you didn't suggest it, but whether or not they knew or had a hand in it is irrelevant - directors are responsible for how their company operates. That's one of the reasons they're paid so much!

I'd disagree, if I was facing charges for something I had no fucking clue was going on I'd be beyond words.

mattthomas wrote:

Tenacious Tubbs wrote:

mattthomas wrote:The company has done nothing wrong, the people running the company have. The people running the show should be put away for a stretch.

I'd agree with that, they should face a court and any appropriate sentencing.

I know you didn't suggest it, but whether or not they knew or had a hand in it is irrelevant - directors are responsible for how their company operates. That's one of the reasons they're paid so much!

I'd disagree, if I was facing charges for something I had no fucking clue was going on I'd be beyond words.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

mattthomas wrote:

Tenacious Tubbs wrote:

mattthomas wrote:The company has done nothing wrong, the people running the company have. The people running the show should be put away for a stretch.

I'd agree with that, they should face a court and any appropriate sentencing.

I know you didn't suggest it, but whether or not they knew or had a hand in it is irrelevant - directors are responsible for how their company operates. That's one of the reasons they're paid so much!

I'd disagree, if I was facing charges for something I had no fucking clue was going on I'd be beyond words.

Bad management. The decision on the software would have been high up not left to the minions.

Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Mazda and Mitsubishi have joined the growing list of manufacturers whose diesel cars are known to emit significantly more pollution on the road than in regulatory tests, according to data obtained by the Guardian.

In more realistic on-road tests, some Honda models emitted six times the regulatory limit of NOx pollution while some unnamed 4x4 models had 20 times the NOx limit coming out of their exhaust pipes.

“The issue is a systemic one” across the industry, said Nick Molden, whose company Emissions Analytics tested the cars. The Guardian revealed last week that diesel cars from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo and Jeep all pumped out significantly more NOx in more realistic driving conditions. NOx pollution is at illegal levels in many parts of the UK and is believed to have caused many thousands of premature deaths and billions of pounds in health costs.

All the diesel cars passed the EU’s official lab-based regulatory test (called NEDC), but the test has failed to cut air pollution as governments intended because carmakers designed vehicles that perform better in the lab than on the road. There is no evidence of illegal activity, such as the “defeat devices” used by Volkswagen.

Alan B wrote:Shit. I've got a Mazda 6 Diesel...

But I'm not surprised.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Alan B wrote:Shit. I've got a Mazda 6 Diesel...

But I'm not surprised.

VW were trying to pull a fast one. Top management must have known. German companies have a strict hierarchy. They would not leave the software to the lower minions.

ScholasticSpastic wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Alan B wrote:Shit. I've got a Mazda 6 Diesel...

But I'm not surprised.

VW were trying to pull a fast one. Top management must have known. German companies have a strict hierarchy. They would not leave the software to the lower minions.

If they had done, there'd be a lot of filleted minions in Germany right now.

Details of the preliminary agreement were announced in a California court. US district court Judge Charles Breyer said the settlement would include a buyback offer for nearly 500,000 2.0-litre vehicles.

"The Government has pressed VW on the issue of this kind of compensation.

"We expect VW to treat its UK customers fairly and to adequately address their concerns.

"The Transport Secretary has pressed VW on the specific issue of this discrepancy of compensation."

Mr Willis wrote a letter to the Commons Transport Select Committee in December stating that "we do not believe it is necessary" to compensate UK drivers.

He went on: "Rather than offering a separate financial payment as a goodwill gesture at this stage, we think that, with the fix just around the corner, the sums available for such a goodwill payment should be spent on maximising the uptake of the technical measures among customers, and ensuring that it is done with as little inconvenience to them as possible."

Read more at http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2016/04/22/vw-pressed-on-compensation-discrepancy-for-uk-customers-amid-emissions-scandal/#rk2JxiKRl3YQcZJT.99

Alan B wrote:Does this scandal only affect the 'VW' brand or does this include other brands owned by VW, e.g. Skoda?