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Cuba sound weapons. WTF?

#1  Postby electricwhiteboy » Sep 29, 2017 3:48 pm

Something fucky is going on here. UHF sound doesn't work in the way it's being described, it doesn't penetrate which is why you only hear the bass from your neighbours shitty dubstep coming through the wall. Anyone who has had an ultrasound scan knows it has to be in contact with the skin. Sound weapons tend to be psychological, something like infrasound to scare the shit out of you. I get the feeling this is totally bollocks and a pretence for pulling out diplomatic staff.
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#4  Postby I'm With Stupid » Sep 29, 2017 9:03 pm

Something like this?

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#5  Postby electricwhiteboy » Sep 29, 2017 11:32 pm

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#6  Postby crank » Sep 30, 2017 11:37 pm

It doesn't say it was ultrasonics, not that that makes much of a difference. It's far far more likely to be the pretence you suggested. We have a long and very strange history when it comes to fucking with the Cubans.
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#7  Postby Macdoc » Oct 01, 2017 3:05 am

Even Canadian staff have been reported problems but could be some sort mass hysteria.
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#8  Postby electricwhiteboy » Oct 02, 2017 3:58 pm

crank wrote:It doesn't say it was ultrasonics, not that that makes much of a difference. It's far far more likely to be the pretence you suggested. We have a long and very strange history when it comes to fucking with the Cubans.


Most of the articles I've seen about it claim a sound weapon above human hearing, then there's a lot of holes that a layman's understanding of the physics of sound would pick up on, and a bit of goal post moving and hand waving. I had more or less put it down to "Meh, it's Cuba and the U.S". Given the history I wouldn't be surprised if The Company hazed diplomatic staff themselves by playing something uncomfortable but not particularly harmful intermittently over the building's P.A. Then just let events play out and spun up the story.
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#9  Postby chango369 » Oct 03, 2017 8:43 pm

electricwhiteboy wrote: I get the feeling this is totally bollocks and a pretence for pulling out diplomatic staff.


The Trump administration expelled 15 Cuban diplomats from the embassy in Washington in an escalating response to mysterious illnesses afflicting American embassy personnel in Havana.

The expulsions were intended to force the Cubans to operate their embassy in Washington under the same emergency conditions that the United States is now operating under in Havana. The Trump administration decided last week to pare its staff in Havana down to a skeletal group of just 27 people who can carry out emergency services.

A State Department official said that the Cuban government would need to give a clear assurance that the attacks would not continue before the personnel in either embassy could return.

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U.S. Expels 15 Cuban Diplomats From Embassy in Washington
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#10  Postby NamelessFaceless » Oct 05, 2017 2:17 pm

I've noticed all the articles I've read about this all say possibly by some kind of sonic weapon. Is it possible that whatever the people are hearing is actually a side-effect of something else, and not the cause? Something else that causes ringing in the ears, maybe, that just seems like an ear-piercing sound? The link you posted says the sound is localized to their room and I just can't believe that people in adjoining rooms wouldn't hear it if it's as loud and ear-piercing as what is being described.
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#11  Postby proudfootz » Oct 05, 2017 8:49 pm

It just doesn't seem very well motivated. Certainly some intelligence 'services' are very willing to use any means to torture others, though.

It seems like something a bit too 'high tech' for Cuba with limited resources.

Meanwhile, some are skeptical of the claims:

Houghton suspects the Russians are behind this latest incident.

He thinks the most likely scenario is that this was a beta test of new Russian technology that went bad. He says the Cubans have no incentive to cause American diplomats permanent damage. "They were probably like, 'Let’s just make the [Americans] throw up,' and then, "Oh wow, whoops!" It went way too far."

There are other theories floating around, too — that it wasn’t a sonic weapon at all, but maybe a virus, poison or radiation.

“I mean, we have no proof of any of this,” says Houghton. “But it’s fun to speculate.”


https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-10-03/ ... say-no-way


Could be part of the latest 'hate Russia' fad in pop culture.
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#12  Postby NamelessFaceless » Oct 28, 2017 3:34 pm

Saw this article today. I guess it's more sensical than the sonic weapons theory. It still doesn't explain how only the victims are hearing it though.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10 ... tacks.html

Could the mysterious “sonic attacks” allegedly waged against U.S. Embassy employees in Cuba really just be the sounds of very loud crickets and cicadas?

That’s what Cuban officials seemed to suggest Thursday in a half-hour prime-time television special titled “Alleged Sonic Attacks.”


Is there any way to tag people in a post? I'd really like to get Cali's take on this.
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#13  Postby The_Piper » Oct 28, 2017 4:51 pm

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#14  Postby proudfootz » Oct 28, 2017 7:01 pm

If it's not a bad batch of potato salad, it could just be their imaginations.

The State Department has not provided further details about the medical condition of the affected staffers. But government officials have suggested anonymously that the diplomats may have been assaulted with some sort of sonic weapon.

Experts in acoustics, however, say that’s a theory more appropriate to a James Bond movie.

Sound can cause discomfort and even serious harm, and researchers have explored the idea of sonic weaponry for years. But scientists doubt a hidden ultrasound weapon can explain what happened in Cuba.

“I’d say it’s fairly implausible,” said Jürgen Altmann, a physicist at the Technische Universität Dortmund in Germany and an expert on acoustics.

For decades, military researchers tried to transform sound into a nonlethal weapon that could stop enemy soldiers in their tracks.

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“I know of no acoustic effect that can cause concussion symptoms,” Dr. Altmann said. “Sound going through the air cannot shake your head.”

For all of these reasons, experts said, ultrasound weapons should not top the list of possible explanations for the hearing loss and headaches and other symptoms said to have been observed in diplomats.

“I believe those people got something that hurt them,” said Dr. Qin. “But it could be something in the environment.” The possibilities include toxins, or bacterial or viral infections, that can damage hearing.

Dr. Leighton said contagious anxiety or another psychogenic contributor couldn’t be ruled out. “If you make people anxious that they’re under attack from an ultrasonic weapon, those are the symptoms you’ll get,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/scie ... eapon.html
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#15  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 29, 2017 1:57 pm

Gives the term "sound killer" a whole new semantic artery.
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#16  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 02, 2018 3:54 pm

Saw this article today addressing what might have caused the "attacks" and I guess it makes sense, but it doesn't explain one glaring question (unless I missed it). Who placed the eaves-dropping devices in the first place. The article seems to imply that it was all completely innocent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-these ... ref=scroll

A technical report from the University of Michigan offers a stunningly simple theory for the source of the Cuban “sonic attack”: a pair of eavesdropping devices too close to each other and tripping the ultrasound that ironically was supposed to make their presence quiet.

More importantly, it might not have been done with malicious intent.
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#17  Postby electricwhiteboy » Mar 02, 2018 4:54 pm

That could explain an irritating sound being heard and a few headaches, 7khz isn't a pleasant noise, and something originating inside the building is much more plausible. It might explain some of the phenomena of the sound appearing to "move". If it's an interference pattern generating a harmonic I could see how certain spots could be worse than others, giving the illusion the sound is following a listener.

There's still a few symptoms that it wouldn't explain, but the Company might be spinning the story and some of it could be psychosomatic.
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#18  Postby electricwhiteboy » Mar 02, 2018 4:57 pm

NamelessFaceless wrote:Saw this article today addressing what might have caused the "attacks" and I guess it makes sense, but it doesn't explain one glaring question (unless I missed it). Who placed the eaves-dropping devices in the first place. The article seems to imply that it was all completely innocent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-these ... ref=scroll

A technical report from the University of Michigan offers a stunningly simple theory for the source of the Cuban “sonic attack”: a pair of eavesdropping devices too close to each other and tripping the ultrasound that ironically was supposed to make their presence quiet.

More importantly, it might not have been done with malicious intent.


I would expect the U.S to bug their own embassy, especially in Cuba, but maybe I'm cynical.
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