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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#161  Postby The_Piper » Oct 24, 2018 1:18 pm

laklak wrote:It's like deja vu all over again.

I prefer peanut M-'n-Ms, the unpeanuted ones are just repackaged Smarties and I've always loathed Smarties. The only candy I despised more, well, a few - candy corn, Necco wafers, circus "peanuts", and those horrid little plasticky pumpkins old people used to give you on Halloween.

But Mom, I don't WANT to go to the retirement home to trick-or-treat, those old ladies always want a hug and they have crappy candy. Now stop it, they LOVE seeing you kids all dressed up!

Dude, those candies are awesome. I abused the hell out those mellow creme pumpkins last week. A bag of candy corn the week before. :lollypop: Smarties don't have chocolate, but non-peanut m&m's are candy-coated chocolate. Om nom norriffic, both of them.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#162  Postby Blackadder » Oct 24, 2018 4:39 pm



Very useful. Guaranteed to clear overstaying house party guests in minutes.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#163  Postby scherado » Oct 24, 2018 8:45 pm

newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#164  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 24, 2018 8:50 pm

scherado wrote:
newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.

So, not only has your trolling not improved, you've gone completely off-topic as well. :roll:
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#165  Postby newolder » Oct 24, 2018 8:52 pm

scherado wrote:
newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.

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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#166  Postby laklak » Oct 24, 2018 9:23 pm

Yeah they talk a massive load of shit in university CompSci courses. Those professors, particularly the ones without tenure, have to justify their existence. You'll never use 90% of it in the real world. The hardest part of IT project management was teaching the new hires that none of the bullshit they learned was germane, we just wanted the thing to do what the users specified. Nobody gave a shit if widget(g) was computable for all g, only if it was close enough for government work and the users signed off the acceptance tests. And fuck off with your elegant, recursive solutions, some numbnuts is going to have to maintain your garbage elegance later so make damn sure you comment the hell out of your code.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#167  Postby scherado » Oct 24, 2018 9:45 pm

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Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.

So, not only has your trolling not improved, you've gone completely off-topic as well. :roll:

In case you haven't noticed and it is ostensibly true that you have not.

The question has been...broached if not answered outright. You missed it?

We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count [in order] to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

Neither you dumb bleep, it's never one or other, always, forevermore.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#168  Postby Cito di Pense » Oct 24, 2018 9:53 pm

laklak wrote:And fuck off with your elegant, recursive solutions, some numbnuts is going to have to maintain your garbage elegance later so make damn sure you comment the hell out of your code.


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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#169  Postby Thommo » Oct 24, 2018 10:01 pm

scherado wrote:We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.


That doesn't seem right. I don't believe that you have the ability to measure the volume of a liquid by accurate molecular count, yet here you are claiming you're thinking about half full and half empty glasses.

scherado wrote:Is the glass half full or half empty?

Neither you dumb bleep, it's never one or other, always, forevermore.


Well, that's one possible answer you could argue for. Generally to be persuasive, or to impress people with the quality of reasoning that argument has to actually be made though.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#170  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 24, 2018 10:12 pm

scherado wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scherado wrote:
newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.

So, not only has your trolling not improved, you've gone completely off-topic as well. :roll:

In case you haven't noticed and it is ostensibly true that you have not.

In case you haven't noticed, I don't take you're contributions to this forum seriously.

scherado wrote:The question has been...broached if not answered outright. You missed it?

We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

Neither you dumb bleep, it's never one or other, always, forevermore.

Just a tip, if you want to improve your trolling; name-calling does not help, especially since it violates the FUA you signed.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#171  Postby Hamster » Oct 24, 2018 10:15 pm

Well I guess the glass is always completely full of something.
Shit in this case I think.
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#172  Postby scott1328 » Oct 24, 2018 10:31 pm

scherado wrote:
newolder wrote:It turns out halts(g) is not computable for all g() so we fucked off back home. :thumbup:

So sad for the folks "back home."

My most memorable graduate course was one where it took the entire course to describe a method (machine) that would determine what is computable (and what is not). On the last day of the course the professor taught the class that she promised would answer the question. I think my jaw hit the ground. It took the entire course to do it and the women--old and crusty--was brilliant. We learned the Turing Machine (Alan Turing ). The text-book is in a house where I can't ge it!

Here are two chapters from On Computable Numbers, With An Application To The ENTSCHEIDUNGSPROBLEM, By Turing, that seems to be what I was taught in this graduate class. Essentially, what we did was learned how to determine when an algorithm is calculable by a machine--the computer.

6. The universal computing machine.
7. Detailed description of the universal machine.

If you implying that your professor solved the halting problem, then you are lying.
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#173  Postby Hermit » Oct 24, 2018 10:48 pm

scherado wrote:We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.

Once again, if it's good enough for government... :mrgreen:

Furthermore, we've been thinking about being presented with a glass half-full/empty long before Amedeo Avogadro invented the molecule in 1811.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#174  Postby laklak » Oct 24, 2018 10:57 pm

Then there's Avocado's number, which is the number of yuppies eating Avo toast on a given Saturday morning.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#175  Postby scherado » Oct 25, 2018 1:25 am

Thommo wrote:
scherado wrote:We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.


That doesn't seem right. I don't believe that you have the ability to measure the volume of a liquid by accurate molecular count, yet here you are claiming you're thinking about half full and half empty glasses.
...

I changed the crucial sentence to this:
scherado wrote:...
We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count [in order] to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty....

Now, I've read your response and it appears that you've made some progress towards understanding.

Let's summarize:

1. Measuring device issue (If we CAN'T assume that a device exists, then we may have a snag. Or, maybe not: what difference does it make whether the glass in front of me can be verified, using a measuring device, to contain a volume of liquid that is half it's capacity?

2. Liquid, undetermined

3. Method of placing liquid into glass (irrelevant)
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#176  Postby Thommo » Oct 25, 2018 1:42 am

scherado wrote:
Thommo wrote:
scherado wrote:We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty.


That doesn't seem right. I don't believe that you have the ability to measure the volume of a liquid by accurate molecular count, yet here you are claiming you're thinking about half full and half empty glasses.
...

I changed the crucial sentence to this:
scherado wrote:...
We require the ability to measure the volume of a liquid down to the molecular count [in order] to be able to think about being presented with a glass half-full/empty....

Now, I've read your response and it appears that you've made some progress towards understanding.


What are you talking about? :lol:

You aren't a teacher, and even your corrected sentence still contains a really low-grade error.

We do not require the ability to measure *anything* to think about about how full a glass is.

If you want to explain what you think the answer is, then you're free to do so, but the didactic role you cast yourself in is nonsensical and unhelpful.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#178  Postby Cito di Pense » Oct 25, 2018 7:51 am

laklak wrote:Then there's Avocado's number


That would relate to the Guaca Mole of any pure substance. I'm sure scherado will soon tell us about the Pure Substance, probably with lyrics from Yes.
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Re: Can I have a glass half full/empty?

#179  Postby Blackadder » Oct 25, 2018 8:23 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
laklak wrote:Then there's Avocado's number


That would relate to the Guaca Mole of any pure substance. I'm sure scherado will soon tell us about the Pure Substance, probably with lyrics from Yes.


Yes, but can you MEASURE the Guaca Mole? You may need to hire a refried bean-counter.
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#180  Postby OlivierK » Oct 25, 2018 9:31 am

Blackadder wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
laklak wrote:Then there's Avocado's number


That would relate to the Guaca Mole of any pure substance. I'm sure scherado will soon tell us about the Pure Substance, probably with lyrics from Yes.


Yes, but can you MEASURE the Guaca Mole? You may need to hire a refried bean-counter.

I can feel no sense of measure.
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