President Trump Watch.

Election is over

For discussion of politics, and what's going on in the world today.

Moderators: kiore, Blip, The_Metatron

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15541  Postby The_Piper » Jan 17, 2019 1:38 am

That letter is a zinger all right. With no need for lies or exaggerations. Excellent job.
"There are two ways to view the stars; as they really are, and as we might wish them to be." - Carl Sagan
"If an argument lasts more than five minutes, both parties are wrong" unknown
Self Taken Pictures of Wildlife
User avatar
The_Piper
 
Name: Fletch F. Fletch
Posts: 30411
Age: 49
Male

Country: Chainsaw Country
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15542  Postby Tero » Jan 17, 2019 2:56 am

trump mcdonalds.jpg
trump mcdonalds.jpg (34.41 KiB) Viewed 1191 times

Trump has a long history with McDonalds products and characters
How American politics goes
1 Republicans cut tax, let everything run down to barely working...8 years
2 Democrats fix public spending to normal...8 years
Rinse, repeat.
User avatar
Tero
 
Posts: 1426

Country: USA
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15543  Postby Animavore » Jan 17, 2019 6:21 am

The problem with Trump's McDonald's party isn't that McDonald's is uniquely cheap or unhealthy or unfit for consumption or whatever other classist, pseudo-elitist, crap some of you folks seem to think. The unhealthiness of American fast food is generally overstated by almost everyone, as is its alleged inedibility, and the fact that people on a budget can conveniently access hot, delicious meals for the price of 15 minutes of labor is a miracle of the modern world and there’s no goddamn reason for an American President to be ashamed Americans know how to make some good, cheap hamburgers. Only a people as fat and comfortable and safe as Americans could be confused otherwise. Sorry, Belgium, you may have invented the french fry, McDonald’s made it into crack. Anyway, stop fronting. Y’all just had three cruncheritos and a mexican pizza from the Bell. Shit is good sometimes.

And the problem isn’t that Trump is a billionaire or that this repast took place at the White House on all their high falutin’ china, that fast food is somehow too undignified. America loves that shit. Billionaires eat McDonald’s, too (ask Warren Buffet), and when the fuck did we become the kind of nation that’s offended by our leaders having a goddamn burger on some fancy, company’s coming over, china, anyway? This isn’t Europe, the White House isn’t Versailles, as much as that doofus and our Centaurian first lady would like to pretend it is. McDonald’s is just fine on them high-class plates. (And by the way, the White House isn’t a palace because we don’t have kings and queens, we have employees, and as Trump’s employer, if he wants to snort addie off the Resolute desk and then piss on that big carpet seal while no one’s around, that’s fine with me. He should have the same right to misuse, abuse, and degrade his place of work as any other American worker. If your shirt is so stuffed shit like that is going to bug you, move to the 19th century or a Jane Austen novel or something.)

The problem, as always, with everything, is Trump. Trump isn’t just a rich guy, or the president. His every move, every thought, revolve around presenting himself as his own, vulgar, demented, version of what a rich man is. This is a man who lives in a gold tower and, so desperate to inhabit his sad, cartoon version of wealth, literally shits in a gold toilet. He is hyper-conscious of status signifiers, even though the signifiers he chooses signify exactly the opposite of his intention for anyone with a semi-functional aesthetic sense, the most famous, desperate, social climbing asshole in a world full of them. He is, always, always, always trying to look wealthy, special, “classy”, and terrified of looking otherwise. That’s the whole point of being Trump.

So this compulsive would-be elitist invites a college football team to the White House, many of whom come from modest backgrounds, to be feted by the leader of their nation on what should be one of the proudest days of their lives, looking forward to some sumptuous, chef prepared, eight course White House meal, and this cheap prick, rather than giving them something to remember, tosses a bunch of the same shit they’ve been eating their entire lives at them as a cute little publicity stunt. One of the players actually commented that he thought it was a joke.

Trump could have served almost any other guest to the White House exactly that meal, any president could have, and it would’ve been fine. Imagine Obama, or Clinton, or Reagan, serving a bunch of McDonald’s to Queen Elizabeth or Vladimir Putin. People would have chuckled a bit, and it would’ve shown the leaders to be human, just like us, juice dripping down their chins, just like every other “politician and foreign dignitary eat hot dog” shot.

But Trump is way too stupid to understand the endearing, folksy irony of that. Trump is never going to serve that shit to his Saudi buddies, or his Russian handlers, or any other VIP. He feeds those people steak at Mara Lago (because steak is his idea of the way rich people eat, of course).

Trump didn’t feed those kids McDonald’s because he genuinely loves McDonald’s, that would probably be a little endearing. Of course he genuinely does love McDonald’s, but that’s not why he did it. What’s bugging us all is that this compulsive, status-obsessed wannabe fed those kids McDonald’s because he looked at a bunch of working and middle-class kids, of various ethnicities, none of whom are famous or powerful, and he thought “People like this eat hamburgers, they don’t need steak. McDonald's will be fine for these people.”

Trump, tone deaf and socially repulsive as always, managed to ferret out precisely the wrong thing to do and do it. Out of the sociopath’s inability to empathize with another, his would-be elitist’s obsession with class signaling, and likely just pure stinginess, he fed exactly the wrong food to exactly the wrong people, the one group of White House guests who really should have been treated like VIP’s. People who would have enjoyed it and allowed us to enjoy it.

What amazes us, what infuriates, us about Trump, is that while revelling in his abject personal grossness and complete lack of taste or class or style, as well as his touted working-class preferences, he has somehow convinced himself that he is the wealthy, cultivated sophisticate every fucking Burger King eating one of us knows goddamn well he ain’t. Somehow, some-fucking-how, he manages to both revel in his supposedly working-class appetites and then look down on people who eat the same shit he does. It’s fucking Apeneck Sweeney convincing himself he’s Louie the 14th because every day he voids his three Whopper lunch into a gold shitter, putting his nose up at the rest of us for having a cheeseburger and, you know, having porcelain in our bathrooms, too fucking stupid to know how completely, utterly, transcendentally boorish and cheap and gauche and truly nasty every single fucking thing he does and says is, as well as every toilet he has plated.

But under all that, what bugs us, what really bugs us, what’s so infuriating about that photo, is that smug ass look on his face. Like he just did those kids the biggest favor in the fucking world. Yeah, kids, here you go - I eat steak (ketchup steak, but still steak) every night because I’m the fucking king shit on turd mountain, but you peasants will be overjoyed when you see that I’ve thrown these lovely hamberbers to you.” That look says it all - sure it’s your first time at the White House, the biggest day of your lives, but you’re still just peons. Behold the generosity of your leader and the bountiful table scraps he has laid before you, this day.

In those pictures, standing behind that table, that smug, shit-eating grin fuck, presenting his grand $3000 repast, is looking directly at us.That’s him telling us “yeah, I’m using the highest office in the land as nothing more than a grift to line my pockets, I’ve given all my friends and the actually wealthy people I want to suck up to all the favors I can as fast as administratively possible, but here you go, you jerks, serfs, fucking peons, eat the fuck up. I’ll be having prime rib, but you look more like the type to enjoy a couple bucks worth of cold ass McDonald’s.”

Like a five year old thinking he’s stealing candy when everyone sees exactly like he’s doing, this dumb fuck thinks he’s getting away something. He thinks he’s terribly clever and crafty for pulling the most blatant, obvious, half-assed political scam in the history of the republic, and to make matters worse, he thinks we’re a bunch of dumb assholes for falling for it. That’s what’s so fucking obnoxious about it. This knuckledragging imbecile manages to stumble ass-backwards into office on a wave of reactionary race-hatred and he fucking thinks he’s Machiavelli and PT Barnum rolled into one, pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes, when we all see exactly what the fuck he’s doing. It wasn’t brains or cleverness or tactics that got him elected, he was just the most evil, stupid asshole around at exactly the point that a bunch of people wanted exactly that sort of evil, stupid asshole.

That’s what’s really bugging us about those photos. He’s the shittiest, nastiest, most classless little punk fuck, a complete, daddy-gave-me-everything, failure, and everyone knows it, but there he is, the most powerful man in the world, telling us “I’m better than you, so I take what I want and you’ll like it, but here’s some good-ass fries on a silver platter. Tuck in, losers.”

Just like he tells us every fucking day, every time he opens his mouth.
A most evolved electron.
User avatar
Animavore
 
Name: The Scribbler
Posts: 45107
Age: 45
Male

Ireland (ie)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15544  Postby BlackBart » Jan 17, 2019 6:40 am

Tero wrote:
trump mcdonalds.jpg

Trump has a long history with McDonalds products and characters


A ridiculous and childish cartoon character shares a joke with Grimace
You don't crucify people! Not on Good Friday! - Harold Shand
User avatar
BlackBart
 
Name: rotten bart
Posts: 12607
Age: 61
Male

United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15545  Postby The_Piper » Jan 17, 2019 5:03 pm

A funny thing - https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/michael-cohen-poll-rigging/index.html
President Donald Trump's former "fixer" Michael Cohen paid the head of a small technology company thousands in 2015 to rig online polls and elevate Cohen's character to benefit Trump's presidential campaign, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.
According to the paper, Cohen paid John Gauger, the owner of RedFinch Solutions LLC, between $12,000 and $13,000 for activities related to Trump's campaign, including "trying unsuccessfully to manipulate two online polls in Mr. Trump's favor" and creating a Twitter account called "@WomenForCohen" that "praised (Cohen's) looks and character, and promoted his appearances and statements boosting" Trump's candidacy.
The bold part. :rofl:
There's a little more that's interesting about the story as well, that Cohen allegedly pocketed some of the money that Trump paid for those "services".
"There are two ways to view the stars; as they really are, and as we might wish them to be." - Carl Sagan
"If an argument lasts more than five minutes, both parties are wrong" unknown
Self Taken Pictures of Wildlife
User avatar
The_Piper
 
Name: Fletch F. Fletch
Posts: 30411
Age: 49
Male

Country: Chainsaw Country
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15546  Postby Alan C » Jan 17, 2019 7:57 pm

The orange sphincter has sent a tit-for-tat letter to Pelosi cancelling an upcoming trip she was to take on a government plane, one of the destinations being Afghanistan. He said she's welcome to fly commercial, to a fucking war-zone.
Lose it - it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal, WACKO!! - Jack O'Neill
User avatar
Alan C
 
Posts: 3086
Age: 47
Male

New Zealand (nz)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15547  Postby purplerat » Jan 17, 2019 8:46 pm

Alan C wrote:The orange sphincter has sent a tit-for-tat letter to Pelosi cancelling an upcoming trip she was to take on a government plane, one of the destinations being Afghanistan. He said she's welcome to fly commercial, to a fucking war-zone.

There's actually something a bit more insidious aside from the stupidity of suggesting she fly commercial to Afghanistan.

That particular destination had not previously been publicly disclosed as it's customary for such trips by high ranking officials to war-zones to be kept under wraps for security reasons. Trump could have canceled the government plane quietly and maintained the secrecy of the trip should Pelosi decided to pay her own way. But instead he decided to go public thus creating himself a very real security risk for the Speaker all but guaranteeing she wouldn't be able to travel. That's incredibly fucked up but also such a Trump thing to do that it's basically going unnoticed.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15548  Postby Macdoc » Jan 17, 2019 10:24 pm



1 million views in 12 hours.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's House speech breaks online viewing records
Freshman lawmaker's fiery rebuke of Donald Trump's wall garners more than a million views in 12 hours


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 33671.html

more of her please

Image
Travel photos > https://500px.com/macdoc/galleries
EO Wilson in On Human Nature wrote:
We are not compelled to believe in biological uniformity in order to affirm human freedom and dignity.
User avatar
Macdoc
 
Posts: 17714
Age: 76
Male

Country: Canada/Australia
Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15549  Postby purplerat » Jan 17, 2019 10:39 pm

I don't always agree with her politics and I think there is more of a bit naivety in her approach but man it's hard not to like her.

Well, unless of course you're a right winger who quivers in a corner crying in fear of her.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15550  Postby Macdoc » Jan 17, 2019 10:55 pm

US needs a bit of overshoot.
Travel photos > https://500px.com/macdoc/galleries
EO Wilson in On Human Nature wrote:
We are not compelled to believe in biological uniformity in order to affirm human freedom and dignity.
User avatar
Macdoc
 
Posts: 17714
Age: 76
Male

Country: Canada/Australia
Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15551  Postby OlivierK » Jan 17, 2019 11:20 pm

It's a good speech, but the remarkable thing is that it gets reported as "fiery", or is considered remarkable. It's just a pedestrain, pro-forma, Politics 101 response to a political opponent's policy that goes against the interests of your constituency, delivered more competently than she's handled some off-the-cuff interviews. Some of the "enough" stuff rose above the rest.

I agree than the US Congress could do with more like AOC, but little of the stuff that's exciting about her was contained in that speech.
User avatar
OlivierK
 
Posts: 9873
Age: 57
Male

Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15552  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 17, 2019 11:49 pm

purplerat wrote:
Alan C wrote:The orange sphincter has sent a tit-for-tat letter to Pelosi cancelling an upcoming trip she was to take on a government plane, one of the destinations being Afghanistan. He said she's welcome to fly commercial, to a fucking war-zone.

There's actually something a bit more insidious aside from the stupidity of suggesting she fly commercial to Afghanistan.

That particular destination had not previously been publicly disclosed as it's customary for such trips by high ranking officials to war-zones to be kept under wraps for security reasons. Trump could have canceled the government plane quietly and maintained the secrecy of the trip should Pelosi decided to pay her own way. But instead he decided to go public thus creating himself a very real security risk for the Speaker all but guaranteeing she wouldn't be able to travel. That's incredibly fucked up but also such a Trump thing to do that it's basically going unnoticed.


Has he broken any laws with this? He is putting her life at risk?
Myths in islam Women and islam Musilm opinion polls


"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.” — Napoleon Bonaparte
User avatar
Scot Dutchy
THREAD STARTER
 
Posts: 43119
Age: 75
Male

Country: Nederland
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15553  Postby purplerat » Jan 18, 2019 12:11 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
purplerat wrote:
Alan C wrote:The orange sphincter has sent a tit-for-tat letter to Pelosi cancelling an upcoming trip she was to take on a government plane, one of the destinations being Afghanistan. He said she's welcome to fly commercial, to a fucking war-zone.

There's actually something a bit more insidious aside from the stupidity of suggesting she fly commercial to Afghanistan.

That particular destination had not previously been publicly disclosed as it's customary for such trips by high ranking officials to war-zones to be kept under wraps for security reasons. Trump could have canceled the government plane quietly and maintained the secrecy of the trip should Pelosi decided to pay her own way. But instead he decided to go public thus creating himself a very real security risk for the Speaker all but guaranteeing she wouldn't be able to travel. That's incredibly fucked up but also such a Trump thing to do that it's basically going unnoticed.


Has he broken any laws with this? He is putting her life at risk?

He's not broken any laws because as POTUS he can reveal whatever confidential or privileged information he wants.

As far as putting her life at risk, well obviously she isn't going to take the trip now. It could present a problem if sometime after the shutdown ends she decides to go.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15554  Postby Fenrir » Jan 18, 2019 12:29 am

So sotu is off because congress can't organise security due to shutdown.

Trip to war-zone is off because potus deliberately causes security issue.

One of these things is not like the other.

One is a political ploy. One is dangerous petulance.
Religion: it only fails when you test it.-Thunderf00t.
User avatar
Fenrir
 
Posts: 4085
Male

Country: Australia
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (gs)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15555  Postby purplerat » Jan 18, 2019 1:14 am

It's also worth noting that Trump himself made such a trip during this shutdown.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15556  Postby Fenrir » Jan 18, 2019 1:49 am

purplerat wrote:It's also worth noting that Trump himself made such a trip during this shutdown.



Interesting. I didn't know the 8th fairway at Mar a Lago was a war zone.
Religion: it only fails when you test it.-Thunderf00t.
User avatar
Fenrir
 
Posts: 4085
Male

Country: Australia
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (gs)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15557  Postby purplerat » Jan 18, 2019 5:28 am

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/buzzfeed-trump-cohen-lie-congress-moscow/index.html

President Donald Trump personally directed his longtime former attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Trump Tower project, two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter told BuzzFeed.

The law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed that Trump directed Cohen to claim negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow ended months earlier than they actually did. The law enforcement sources told BuzzFeed that Cohen confirmed to special counsel Robert Mueller's team that Trump issued the order to lie to Congress.
CNN has not corroborated the BuzzFeed report.


If this is true and Mueller has the goods on Trump directing Cohen to lie to congress then I don't see how he avoids impeachment leading to his removal from office. Even if there is not another single shred of evidence towards collusion or obstruction this alone would be sufficient to move forward with impeachment. Trump's fate would come down to whether Senate Republicans prefer him or Pence.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15558  Postby Alan C » Jan 18, 2019 7:58 am

Fenrir wrote:
purplerat wrote:It's also worth noting that Trump himself made such a trip during this shutdown.



Interesting. I didn't know the 8th fairway at Mar a Lago was a war zone.


It also seems that he allowed GoldDigger to fly to Mar-a-lago on the same type of aircraft Pelosi was to use for no official reason other than to go home.
Lose it - it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal, WACKO!! - Jack O'Neill
User avatar
Alan C
 
Posts: 3086
Age: 47
Male

New Zealand (nz)
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15559  Postby Tero » Jan 18, 2019 12:54 pm

Yeah but FLOTITS is important, Nancy is just getting unnecessary fame.
How American politics goes
1 Republicans cut tax, let everything run down to barely working...8 years
2 Democrats fix public spending to normal...8 years
Rinse, repeat.
User avatar
Tero
 
Posts: 1426

Country: USA
Print view this post

Re: President Trump Watch.

#15560  Postby purplerat » Jan 18, 2019 6:13 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-afghanistan/index.html

"In the middle of the night, the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service provided an updated threat assessment detailing that the President announcing this sensitive travel had significantly increased the danger to the delegation and to the troops, security, and other officials supporting the trip," Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. "This morning, we learned that the administration had leaked the commercial travel plans as well."


FWIW, I doubt Pelosi was ever seriously going to fly commercial. But she played Trump like a flute yet again. Trump is so utterly outmatched against her that his impeachment will be a little bitter sweet in that it will deny us seeing him have his ass continuously handed to him by Nancy for the next 2 years.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

PreviousNext

Return to News, Politics & Current Affairs

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 3 guests